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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I can think of any number who would be Obama type democrats. Most notably probably would be Jefferson.
    I vehemently disagree. Please explain how you would associate Jefferson's philosophy on government to Obama's? Jefferson was strongly opposed to centralizing government power and openly said so many, many times.

    Thomas Jefferson's concerns about a centralized federal government can be seen in the Declaration of Independence in this quote directly from the Declaration itself which Thomas Jefferson penned.

    "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
    His abject fear that our Constitutional Republic would lead to a centralized form of government was clarified even further in one of his later pieces written in 1821 where he says ...

    " ... the Federal Judiciary; an irresponsible body (for impeachment is scarcely a scarecrow), working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one.

    When all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."

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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Hey! I like Ike also.

    I'm not only not a constitutional scholar, I don't think I've ever read it. Just like others who are equally ignorant, I think I know enough about it to sense that it has been modified beyond recognition and the "blueprint" seems to be more about the whatever it looked like about 50 years ago. We've done great on freedom of speech but a lot of other areas are pretty modified any more.

    I'm probably wrong



    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'm not sure what that has to do with anything? Think of government as a building.The constitution is the blueprint, a golden standard, which maximizes individual freedom and is supposed to provide checks and balances against a powerful government (although this is being eroded as we speak). Our government has evolved many times over 200 years, not because the blueprint changed, but because the materials the government has had to work with has changed. I see no reason why we should ever have to get rid of the blue print, when it has served us so well for over 200 years. The present day materials are what need to be changed.

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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I vehemently disagree. Please explain how you would associate Jefferson's philosophy on government to Obama's? Jefferson was strongly opposed to centralizing government power and openly said so many, many times.

    Thomas Jefferson's concerns about a centralized federal government can be seen in the Declaration of Independence in this quote directly from the Declaration itself which Thomas Jefferson penned.



    His abject fear that our Constitutional Republic would lead to a centralized form of government was clarified even further in one of his later pieces written in 1821 where he says ...


    Hell, Alexander Hamilton himself would stand dumbfounded and dismayed at how far things have gotten out of control in terms of centralized federal power and complete lack of Constitutional restraint.

    TJ would be writing a new declaration and wondering why we hadn't burned D.C. to the ground already.

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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would they be members of?
    Well, some would be Republicans, most likely those that banded under the old Federalist Party, and associated themselves with the Federalist movement.

    Those that banded to the Democrats would likely have been the Anti-Federalists, who later founded the Democratic-Republican Party.

    And you can pretty much follow those 2 groups through to today. The Federalists became the National Republican Party (1825), then the Whig Party (1833), then finally by the Republican Party in 1854.

    The Anti-Federalists formed the Democratic Republican Party, which morphed into the Democratic party in 1824 when it tore itself apart over the candidacy of Andrew Jackson.

    So if you want to know what party they would have belonged to, just look to what parties they belonged to when they were alive.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Well, some would be Republicans, most likely those that banded under the old Federalist Party, and associated themselves with the Federalist movement.

    Those that banded to the Democrats would likely have been the Anti-Federalists, who later founded the Democratic-Republican Party.

    And you can pretty much follow those 2 groups through to today. The Federalists became the National Republican Party (1825), then the Whig Party (1833), then finally by the Republican Party in 1854.

    The Anti-Federalists formed the Democratic Republican Party, which morphed into the Democratic party in 1824 when it tore itself apart over the candidacy of Andrew Jackson.

    So if you want to know what party they would have belonged to, just look to what parties they belonged to when they were alive.

    If I am reading this right, this seems to be a bit of..a problem. You aren't focusing on their ideas so much as the Party to which they belonged.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    I see one of two options. Most of them were pretty progressive for their time. Either they would continue to be progressive, adapt to the progressive struggles of our time, and maintain that position along the political spectrum... making them pretty staunchly left, or they would split along the same urban vs rural lines that they were arguing about two hundred years ago and we're still facing now. I think they would be smart enough to adapt to the completely different paradigm of civil rights we have now, and wouldn't get caught up in being astounded that women and non-whites can vote.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I see one of two options. Most of them were pretty progressive for their time. Either they would continue to be progressive, adapt to the progressive struggles of our time, and maintain that position along the political spectrum... making them pretty staunchly left, or they would split along the same urban vs rural lines that they were arguing about two hundred years ago and we're still facing now. I think they would be smart enough to adapt to the completely different paradigm of civil rights we have now, and wouldn't get caught up in being astounded that women and non-whites can vote.
    So, based on what we know of their "progressivism" what do you think their "take" would be on how centralized government power has become in modern times?
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I see one of two options. Most of them were pretty progressive for their time. Either they would continue to be progressive, adapt to the progressive struggles of our time, and maintain that position along the political spectrum... making them pretty staunchly left, or they would split along the same urban vs rural lines that they were arguing about two hundred years ago and we're still facing now. I think they would be smart enough to adapt to the completely different paradigm of civil rights we have now, and wouldn't get caught up in being astounded that women and non-whites can vote.
    Why do you think "most" were "progressive"?
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    So, based on what we know of their "progressivism" what do you think their "take" would be on how centralized government power has become in modern times?
    Depends. Some of them would wonder why there is not a National University, and why so many trust in the common people.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    They'd be members of whatever party I belong to, because that gives credence to my party choice.
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