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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No. Wrong on both accounts. This would take a long lesson in history which would show how for most of history the democrats have been the pro-slavery anti rights people, including at the time after the war of independence and the civil war.
    Thye Constitution was indeed a liberal document. It was very liberal at the time, actually. Those were the democrats of old. Since FDR, the Dems and Republicans flopped sides of view.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    The opinions of the 'Founders' are, in my view, irrelevant. Not only were none of the men in that loosely-affiliated group capable of foreseeing the long-term history of the new nation they created, most of them weren't particularly attached to the principles they declared for at the outset. Only a few of them hold any value at all today - Jefferson and Paine and Franklin, mainly, as the most forward-looking of the lot.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    The opinions of the 'Founders' are, in my view, irrelevant. Not only were none of the men in that loosely-affiliated group capable of foreseeing the long-term history of the new nation they created, most of them weren't particularly attached to the principles they declared for at the outset. Only a few of them hold any value at all today - Jefferson and Paine and Franklin, mainly, as the most forward-looking of the lot.
    I believe Washington had quite a bit of foresight as well. BUt I defintely agree on Jefferson and Paine.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    They wouldn't be part of any party, they'd be disgusted with the entire political establishment we have right now.


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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    I believe Washington had quite a bit of foresight as well. BUt I defintely agree on Jefferson and Paine.
    Washington belonged to the Federalist clique, though not a Federalist himself. And the principles of the Federalists were, essentially, to mimic as closely as possible the then-successful mercantilist/feudalist model of government, which history of course buried under ash.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Thye Constitution was indeed a liberal document. It was very liberal at the time, actually. Those were the democrats of old. Since FDR, the Dems and Republicans flopped sides of view.
    Yes. They "magically" switched sides. Has there ever been a more unrealistic argument in the history of political debate.

    Anyway. It doesn't matter anymore.

    The notion here is not about who was what. It is about what party the founding father would be today. I think they would be a new party. Boston tea party that is. And decided that this sham of a first past the post, 2 party system with legal methods of corruption and bribery needs to be refreshed with the blood of patriots. And grow back stronger.

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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    one would have to look at the disagreements they had in the 1700s and amplify that by the time that has passed since then. my guess is that they would be distributed between all of the parties, and some would be independents.

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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    This idea that the 'Founders' (I hate that catch-all term) would be particularly disturbed by our modern form of government is amazing. The Federalists especially were just as bureaucratic in their mindset as the modern Democrats; they simply didn't have as broad a range of governing options at the time. But their entire ideology was centered around the notion that the Federal government sets the national agenda, including its economic agenda (the "American System" of economics). The Federalists, after all, were trying to emulate the mercantilist policies that they had perceived to be successful in monarchical Europe.
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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    The Constitution party. Though, I'd hope they'd recognize how radically different the country is from when they wrote it.

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    Re: If the Founding Fathers were alive today, what party would most they be members o

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think the Founders were uniformed in their thinking and if they had to join one of the parties today I highly doubt they would all join the same one.
    Well, I believe Mason would be like "Didn't I tell you about the dangers of a party system?" And then proceed to leave the country.

    I do find it odd that a bunch of white, slave owning rich folk who refused to let women, slaves and non-land owning males to vote would have an easy time fitting in any party.
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