View Poll Results: Which of the following are victimless crimes?

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  • Adultery

    1 5.56%
  • Drug manufacture/sales

    2 11.11%
  • Drug use/possession

    3 16.67%
  • Incest

    0 0%
  • Necrophilia

    0 0%
  • Polygamy

    1 5.56%
  • Prostitution

    8 44.44%
  • Public nudity

    2 11.11%
  • Sex in public

    0 0%
  • Traffic violations

    1 5.56%
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    Adultery. Should be a civil matter not a case of wrongdoing. So if illegal would be a victimless crime if both consented as well as the third wheel.

    Drug manufacture/dealing. Wrongdoing if manufactured negligently or if sold with fraudulent claims. A victimless crime excepting this.

    Drug use/possession. Both should not be considered wrongdoing. So victimless crime. If they engage in behavior harmful to others then that would be crime with a victim.

    Incest. Given that it is most likely that one was groomed into this type of relationship I would not consider this to be a victimless crime.

    Necrophilia. Given that there are not many people who are willing to be someones **** buddy after they die in general it cannot be considered a victimless crime.

    Polygamy. Not a crime given that there is no legal recognition of marriage beyond one partner (marriage is a type of contract) and given we already covered adultery. Bigamy however is not Polygamy and can be considered a sort of fraud.

    Prostitution. Should not be illegal as long as it is consensual. When it is illegal the focus of the law should be on the "pimp" or "madam" since it is more likely to be not consensual.

    Public nudity. Out side of actions that are harassing having it illegal would be a victimless crime.

    Sex in public. A victimless crime.

    Traffic violations. Victimless as long as there is no damage to persons or property due to the violation.
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Artists need to learn that they are not producing the product, they are producing the entertainment which attract the audience. Artists need to market their music the way a television markets their shows, where the point is not to give you the show but to attract buyers for products in commercials.
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Irrelevant. The artist decides for them self if they want to give it away. The decision is not made for them because somebody else says it's a good thing to do.
    The issue over "piracy" should be a civil tort lawsuit. It should not be considered a criminal act at all unless someone is selling the product without consent. And damages should be limited to actual damages plus fees for bringing suit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes it is. Making the decision for the artist is called 'piracy'. The music will be pirated regardless of anyone's opinion. There is a demand for free music, so how else do you make money on free music then mirroring television, give the music away and make money on endorsed products?
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Safe sex adultery where both partners encourage it is a victimless crime.
    Only with swingers and others that have "open" marriages. It causes tremendous damage in traditional monogamous/polygamous relationships. It sometimes causes physical violence, including death. It emotionally damages relationships upon which the children pick up on and in the case of divorce due to adultery, it causes significant damage, especially to children.

    I may be wrong, but as far as I know, the military is the only one currently prosecuting for adultery. It can cause severe problems with discipline, moral and unit effectiveness. Not to mention increasing the odds of a "friendly" fire incident.
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Here on all traffic tickets there is a victims tax that goes into a fund to help the victims of traffic accidents. I think it was started when after a horrendous accident where I think more than 10 people were killed and dozens injured, people started needing help paying for PTSD therapy.
    Is that local or state?

    I know some states have come up with putting tickets into some kind of fund like that to stop speed traps and other abuses. In Texas, if a city exceeds a certain level of it's budget coming from traffic tickets, it has to turn the excess funds over to the state. The state prints all traffic tickets for officers to use and keeps very strict track of their issuance.

    Now if we can just get them to focus more on bad/dangerous driving habits instead of just speed. Since speed is rarely the actual cause of an accident, it only determines the force of impact and how bad an accident will be.
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Considering how hundreds of thousands of women are enslaved to feed the world's prostitution market annually, I find it incredibly difficult to argue prostitution is a victimless crime.
    That kind of activities are strongly biased towards underage prostitution and control of the girls. In the US, a lot of the victimization comes from the pimps and others who control the women. Forced and underage prostitution should be illegal. By making some legal, it decreases those who are forced into and increase the availability of resources to hunt down those who practice trafficking.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And Warren Jeffs proved that polygamy is hardly victimless. Islamic Polygamy has led to neglect and abuse of wives.
    You are attributing other crimes and factors to Polygamy. Neglect and abuse are common, even here, in traditional marriages. Since we know it happens in both Monogamous marriage and Polygamous marriage, can Polygamy actually be blamed as the cause, no. Most of the Third world countries are Patriarchal, regardless of religion. Women/wifes are commonly abused in these societies, regardless of type of marriage.

    Children in a monogamous abusive marriage are hurt just as much as children are in polygamous abusive marriages. Because polygamy is illegal in the US, we only hear about the extreme cases where the abusers are also practicing other extremist ideas. Only if we had legal polygamy could we make an accurate comparison of abuses in polygamy vs monogamy. Even then, it comes down to the person doing the abusing, not the type of marriage. An abusive controlling person is an abusive controlling person, whether they have one spouse or five.

    The only reason for anti-polygamy laws in the US is puritan Christian beliefs of those making the laws. Same with prostitution. Both, if made legal would still have cases of abuse, but, neither prostitution nor polygamy are the cause of the abuses.
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    Public nudity can have its' victims. Not everyone looks good with their clothes off.

    Also, I don't want see people waltzing around naked anyway.
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    MY favorite victimless crime:

    The purchase/ownership/posession of an 'assault weapon' in California.
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    As usual, no vote
    Define "crime".
    And NOT in the legal sense.
    Adultery, for one, is, IMO, a "crime" against the children and the wife, particularly the children.
    In the dark ages, adultery would be a heinous sin, fortunately, those days are behind us (most of us) thanks to our partial separation of church and state..
    One can say that none of those listed are "victemless'...
    definitions...

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    Re: Victimless crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Is that local or state?

    I know some states have come up with putting tickets into some kind of fund like that to stop speed traps and other abuses. In Texas, if a city exceeds a certain level of it's budget coming from traffic tickets, it has to turn the excess funds over to the state. The state prints all traffic tickets for officers to use and keeps very strict track of their issuance.

    Now if we can just get them to focus more on bad/dangerous driving habits instead of just speed. Since speed is rarely the actual cause of an accident, it only determines the force of impact and how bad an accident will be.
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    Re: Victimless crimes

    To one extent or another......NONE OF THE ABOVE

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