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    Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    One of the common arugements I've seen from social conservatives is that the creation of a civil union should answer the questions regarding gay marriage.

    Typically, the general idea is this:

    • The civil union will contain the same benefits as a heterosexual marriage
    • The term 'marriage' will only be recognized as between one man and one woman


    So, dear reader, my question to you is: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise with regards to the issue of Same-Sex marriage?

    I'll try to have the answers as applicable as possible.
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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    One of the common arugements I've seen from social conservatives is that the creation of a civil union should answer the questions regarding gay marriage.

    Typically, the general idea is this:

    • The civil union will contain the same benefits as a heterosexual marriage
    • The term 'marriage' will only be recognized as between one man and one woman


    So, dear reader, my question to you is: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise with regards to the issue of Same-Sex marriage?

    I'll try to have the answers as applicable as possible.
    Only if the government issues Civil Union licenses only (i.e. the Marriage License is done away with it total).
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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    No, because it's still the government relegating homosexual persons to second-class status. Whether you use the word marriage or union isn't as important as using the same word for both straight and gay couples.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    I think it is a good compromise. It allows homosexuals to have the legal benefits of marriage without redefining marriage for those who have moral issues with homosexual relationships qualifying as a marriage.
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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    It isn't a good compromise because legally, no matter how much you say that a civil union is a marriage... it's a legally separate term with a legally separate definition. Unless you literally, explicitly, spelled out that "civil union" is equivalent to "marriage" for all Municipal, State, and Federal laws pertaining to marriage-- something I don't think any level of government has the authority to dictate to the others-- you would still be creating a lesser form of marriage that did not provide the same benefits.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    I would be for it. Any two people that want to create a civil arrangement/union is fine by me. Unfortunately there are some that are more interested in co-opting the word marriage rather than having equal rights.

    Words have meaning and some are only satisfied when a word gets a new meaning. Don't think so? The word 'gay' had a different meaning.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    I think the best compromise is to remove the term "marriage" from the books, changing it to "civil unions", and allow it to be entered into by any two consenting adults.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    One of the common arugements I've seen from social conservatives is that the creation of a civil union should answer the questions regarding gay marriage.

    Typically, the general idea is this:

    • The civil union will contain the same benefits as a heterosexual marriage
    • The term 'marriage' will only be recognized as between one man and one woman


    So, dear reader, my question to you is: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise with regards to the issue of Same-Sex marriage?

    I'll try to have the answers as applicable as possible.
    No they are not. A gay married couple being equal to a straight couple is the goal, not some "separate but equal" nonesense.
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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    I'd like to see it as "separate but equal", but that phrase itself carries some stigma to it.

    I'd also be more inclined to go with that if atheists were only allowed civil unions and not marriages.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    No, they are not. If the rights of a married couple and a unionized couple are exactly the same, then the only possible reason for distinguishing between the two is the purpose of stigmatization.

    This issue was effectively decided more than half a century ago in the Brown v. Board of Education case, where SCOTUS was asked whether, if black educational facilities were identical in every way to white ones, segregation would nonetheless be a violation of equal protection. The Court answered yes.

    To separate [black children] from others of similar age and qualifications solely because of their race generates a feeling of inferiority as to their status in the community that may affect their hearts and minds in a way unlikely ever to be undone. The effect of this separation on their educational opportunities was well stated by a finding in the Kansas case by a court which nevertheless felt compelled to rule against the Negro plaintiffs:Segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children. The impact is greater when it has the sanction of the law, for the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group. A sense of inferiority affects the motivation of a child to learn. Segregation with the sanction of law, therefore, has a tendency to [retard] the educational and mental development of negro children and to deprive them of some of the benefits they would receive in a racial[ly] integrated school system.
    Segregating homosexuals from society though similar policy is just as likely to negatively effect homosexuals of all ages. It reinforces the idea that homosexuals are "different" and "inferior" to straight people. How can parents righteously scold their children for anti-gay bullying when they themselves forbid homosexuals from sacred and honored institutions such as marriage? How can young homosexuals be encouraged to establish meaningful and lasting relationships if they look forward and see that society doesn't value those relationships the same as they do straight ones?

    Not to mention, prohibiting gay marriage discriminates against churches that support gay marriage.
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