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Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?

  • Yes, civil unions are an acceptable compromise.

    Votes: 17 17.2%

  • No, they are not, because:

    Votes: 51 51.5%

  • The government should not be involved with marriage, at all.

    Votes: 23 23.2%

  • Other (Please Explain)

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Total voters
    99
Objective-J said:
wow you cant be this silly? once AGAIN you just proved you have no understanding of equal rights or americas history, there is no way you are of age and or from america
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Okay you can chill on the attacks... it's not helping your argument in any way... even though it may make you feel better.

You really seem to not paying attention to my arguments at all. I demonstrated how your example didn't relate to our topic... This has nothing to do with "no understanding of equal rights or americas history".

It does not relate, because women wanting the right to vote, wanted to include EVERYONE to not be discriminated against... accept for by age... which I said before is commonly accepted discrimination, so is by citizenship and crime history... each having their own reasons..

You have not given me a single reason why-not all consenting adults participate in the marriage contract.

I would really perfer to debate this with someone else that has your same viewpoint, because you just seem to not be able to grasp what I am saying.
 
Objective-J said:
1.) WOW

you have to be joking at this point

can a man merry a woman? YES
can A woman merry a women? no
thats what the EQUAL rights are about

NO family member can marry family members LOL

the argument doesnt fail at all you simply arent educated enough on the subject to understand it, or history or america, this fact has been proved many times. You are definitely a kid.
blacks did NOT fight for everyone on the EQUAL rights moments MINORITIES fought for all minorities not every one,WOW

this is one of the funniest things i have ever read here.

like i said
i have facts and history what have you provide besides "nu-huh" LMAO
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LOL, you have no idea how to construct a valid arguement... you can say the same thing for people when Gay marriage was banned...

:roll:
 
Objective-J said:
the argument doesnt fail at all you simply arent educated enough on the subject to understand it, or history or america, this fact has been proved many times. You are definitely a kid.
blacks did NOT fight for everyone on the EQUAL rights moments MINORITIES fought for all minorities not every one,WOW
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OH MY, I cannot believe who I am debating with lol...

BLACKS DID FIGHT FOR ALL RACES TO NOT BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. This is why this example does not fit our conversation. YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR ALL CONSENSUAL ADULTS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MARRIAGE CONTRACT, YOU ARE ONLY FIGHTING FOR ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE, gays.
 
Objective-J said:
1.) WOW

you have to be joking at this point

can a man merry a woman? YES
can A woman merry a women? no
thats what the EQUAL rights are about

NO family member can marry family members LOL
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BEAT IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD DUDE.... YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING IN THE CASE OF GAY PEOPLE WHEN GAY MARRIAGE WAS BANNED. So your argument FAILS
 
Objective-J said:
wow you cant be this silly? once AGAIN you just proved you have no understanding of equal rights or americas history, there is no way you are of age and or from america
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I agree 100% there's no way he is American or an adult.
 
celticwar17 said:
1.)Okay you can chill on the attacks... it's not helping your argument in any way... even though it may make you feel better.

2.)You really seem to not paying attention to my arguments at all. I demonstrated how your example didn't relate to our topic... This has nothing to do with "no understanding of equal rights or americas history".

3.)It does not relate, because women wanting the right to vote, wanted to include EVERYONE to not be discriminated against... accept for by age... which I said before is commonly accepted discrimination, so is by citizenship and crime history... each having their own reasons..

4.)You have not given me a single reason why-not all consenting adults participate in the marriage contract.

I would really perfer to debate this with someone else that has your same viewpoint, because you just seem to not be able to grasp what I am saying.
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1.) no attacks TRUTH lol
2.) my example is 100% relevant because its the SAME LMAO history and facts prove that
3.) woman wanted WOMEN to vote because they couldnt and MEN could, it applies 100%
4.) yes i did many times because thats not equal rights and thats the plan fact whether you accept it or not
5.) i grasp what you are saying fine, the problem is you are simply wrong and what you are saying is not true and meaningless

like i said i have facts and history what do you have? nothing

no matter how much you say it, equal gay rights is in no way the same as people wanting a grandmother to be able to marry a grandson, thats not the same in anyway LOL

one is equal rights, one is something totally new that NOBODY can do, "NOBODY" the other MANY PEOPLE can do lmao
common sense and facts 101

these facts wont change for you lol
 
celticwar17 said:
OH MY, I cannot believe who I am debating with lol...

BLACKS DID FIGHT FOR ALL RACES TO NOT BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. This is why this example does not fit our conversation. YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR ALL CONSENSUAL ADULTS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MARRIAGE CONTRACT, YOU ARE ONLY FIGHTING FOR ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE, gays.
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no they fought for minoirties back then and people who were being discriminated lol

consensual adults do not fit for equal rights sorry i proved this many times now lol but i LOVE you keep arguing against facts
 
celticwar17 said:
BEAT IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD DUDE.... YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING IN THE CASE OF GAY PEOPLE WHEN GAY MARRIAGE WAS BANNED. So your argument FAILS
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its NOT the same, sorry you dont have the education to see that fact on this subject but they are not the same.

NO family member can marry family members LOL ZERO so that would be NEW rights
but a MAN can marry a WOMAN so therfore a WOMAN should be able to merry a WOMAN, THAT is equal rights

again basic common sense you just arent educated enough on this subject to understand.

but dont worry ill tell the majority of the gay rights movment, facts and hostory that they are wrong and you are right LMAO
 
O_Guru said:
I agree 100% there's no way he is American or an adult.
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Finally, please....
Can you give an argument or discuss why my points are wrong?
You may be more reasonable...
 
celticwar17 said:
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ill try to make the facts as easy as possible for you

is there "anybody" that can merry their family member? NO
so granting that to ANYBODY would be a NEW right

is there anybody that can merry women? yes men can
so granting women that ability would be EQUAL rights

facts can lead you to water but they can make you drink
 
Objective-J said:
no they fought for minoirties back then and people who were being discriminated lol

consensual adults do not fit for equal rights sorry i proved this many times now lol but i LOVE you keep arguing against facts
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1) that is what I am saying dude...

2) You have never said that consensual adults do not fit for equal rights... but that's an interesting claim, please elaborate. Why do consensual adults not fit for rights like everyone else?
 
celticwar17 said:
1) that is what I am saying dude...

2) You have never said that consensual adults do not fit for equal rights... but that's an interesting claim, please elaborate. Why do consensual adults not fit for rights like everyone else?
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1.) and thats what makes my examples the same and relevant
2.) yes i did many many times because they would fit NEW rights has stated many many many times

these were facts yesterday and they will be facts tomorrow
 
celticwar17 said:
Finally, please....
Can you give an argument or discuss why my points are wrong?
You may be more reasonable...
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They were already accurately stated why you are wrong and what's more reasonable than truth.?
Your examples are not about equal rights.
 
Objective-J said:
ill try to make the facts as easy as possible for you

is there "anybody" that can merry their family member? NO
so granting that to ANYBODY would be a NEW right

is there anybody that can merry women? yes men can
so granting women that ability would be EQUAL rights

facts can lead you to water but they can make you drink
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These arguments are not valid, because you can substitute the same thing when gay marriage was banned.
Look at it here...
ill try to make the facts as easy as possible for you

is there "anybody" that can merry a person of the same sex? NO
so granting that to ANYBODY would be a NEW right

in the case of today when gay marriage is not banned

is there anybody that can merry women/man? yes men/woman can
so granting any consensual adult that ability would be EQUAL rights

facts can lead you to water but they can make you drink

Your arguments simply DONT WORK... if you can construct ones that do, I WILL BELIEVE YOU.
 
O_Guru said:
They were already accurately stated why you are wrong and what's more reasonable than truth.?
Your examples are not about equal rights.
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please elaborate... or I'm afraid you have nothing to contribute to the discussion...:ssst:
 
celticwar17 said:
1.)These arguments are not valid, because you can substitute the same thing when gay marriage was banned.
Look at it here...
ill try to make the facts as easy as possible for you

2.)is there "anybody" that can merry a person of the same sex? NO
so granting that to ANYBODY would be a NEW right

3.)in the case of today when gay marriage is not banned

4.)is there anybody that can merry women/man? yes men/woman can
so granting any consensual adult that ability would be EQUAL rights

facts can lead you to water but they can make you drink
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1.) no you can not LMAO
2.) but the opposite stil remains and it does NOT in your example only in mine, in one example there is NEVER anybody that has a right that nobody else has, in mine that is NOT true and its why history and facts support me and you have zero support.

3.) see above
4.) wrong because nobody can do that, NOBODY, men and women CAN merry but NOT men/woman family members LMAO FAIL WOW
5.) mine is water yours is koolaid, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep posting though because this is FUN!!!

your posts HELP me and you dont even see it LMAO

how you cant see those examples are COMPLETELY different is beyond me
 
Objective-J said:
1.) and thats what makes my examples the same and relevant
2.) yes i did many many times because they would fit NEW rights has stated many many many times

these were facts yesterday and they will be facts tomorrow
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2) No, you didn't actually...
so Just because you declare that all consensual adults as not a group that deserves equal rights, they don't deserve equal right? Where do you get this conception? Equal rights means "Equality before the law, when all people have the same rights" and why do not all concentual adults fit into this category?
 
celticwar17 said:
2) No, you didn't actually...
so Just because you declare that all consensual adults as not a group that deserves equal rights, they don't deserve equal right? Where do you get this conception? Equal rights means "Equality before the law, when all people have the same rights" and why do not all concentual adults fit into this category?
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this is NOT what i did its more things you are making up LOL
they arent being denied any rights before the law thats why your argument always fails and history and facts win every time :)
 
Objective-J said:
2.) but the opposite stil remains and it does NOT in your example only in mine, in one example there is NEVER anybody that has a right that nobody else has, in mine that is NOT true and its why history and facts support me and you have zero support.
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HERE, this is where I disagree with you...

in this case some consensual adults have rights over other consensual adults...so Just because you declare that all consensual adults as not a group that deserves equal rights, they don't deserve equal right? Where do you get this conception? Equal rights means "Equality before the law, when all people have the same rights" and why do not all consensual adults fit into this category?
 
Objective-J said:
this is NOT what i did its more things you are making up LOL
they arent being denied any rights before the law thats why your argument always fails and history and facts win every time :)
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Yes they are! when one group of people can't have the same rights as another group of people then that is discrimination. what we are discussing specifically right at this moment has nothing to do with history.
 
celticwar17 said:
HERE, this is where I disagree with you...

in this case some consensual adults have rights over other consensual adults...so Just because you declare that all consensual adults as not a group that deserves equal rights, they don't deserve equal right? Where do you get this conception? Equal rights means "Equality before the law, when all people have the same rights" and why do not all consensual adults fit into this category?
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again i didnt do that "declare all consensual adults as a group that deserves equal rights" why do you make stuff up all the time? LMAO its like you think posts disappear or something
I said they arent being denied rights that others are granted so in general they dont fight "equal" rights

so you disagree with nobody its another made up fantasy point that doesnt change facts lol
 
celticwar17 said:
Yes they are! when one group of people can't have the same rights as another group of people then that is discrimination. what we are discussing specifically right at this moment has nothing to do with history.
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they do have the same rights thats why you fail
 
Objective-J said:
again i didnt do that "declare all consensual adults as not a group that deserves equal rights" why do you make stuff up all the time? LMAO its like you think posts disappear or something
I said they arent being denied rights that others are granted so in general they dont fight "equal" rights

so you disagree with nobody its another made up fantasy point that doesnt change facts lol
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I bolded my actual quote.

OMG, you have failed again!
Objective-J said:
no they fought for minoirties back then and people who were being discriminated lol

consensual adults do not fit for equal rights sorry i proved this many times now lol but i LOVE you keep arguing against facts
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Equal rights means "Equality before the law, when all people have the same rights" ... How don't all consensual adults not fit in this category of equal rights?

if this is not what you meant then please clarify.
 
Objective-J said:
they do have the same rights thats why you fail
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Can a Man marry multiple women? NO

Can two family members marry? NO

These groups of consensual adults do not have equal rights to other consensual adults.

This all comes down to you and the government having NO PLACE defining who can participate in a marriage! Because it is subjective.
 
celticwar17 said:
I bolded my actual quote.

OMG, you have failed again!

Equal rights means "Equality before the law, when all people have the same rights" ... How don't all consensual adults not fit in this category of equal rights?

if this is not what you meant then please clarify.
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yes THAT is what i said which is NOTHING like saying they dont "deserve" equal rights and the other BS you said in your qote here
celticwar17 said:
in this case some consensual adults have rights over other consensual adults...so Just because you declare that all consensual adults as not a group that deserves equal rights, they don't deserve equal right? Where do you get this conception? Equal rights means "Equality before the law, when all people have the same rights" and why do not all consensual adults fit into this category?
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LMAO you lose again, thanks for proving me right yet AGAIN :)

they dont fit because they arent being denied anything, they are already equal under the law if we are talking about family members
 
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