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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so what you are saying is that IVF have higher rates of "tardation" than sibling mating and yet no one is squealing to outlaw IVF.

    it's as I suspect. people find incest disgusting and morally unacceptable...just as the mojority of people used to view homosexuality. it's a personal preference. if you are going to support equal rights...support equal rights for everyone

    it is none of your, my, our business what consenting adults do in the bedroom.

    if two dude want to get married....fine
    if two cousins want to get married...fine
    if a girl and two guys want to get married....fine
    if a guy wants to marry becky the blowup doll....fine
    I'm right there with you except for the blowup doll. Inanimate objects can not give consent.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    I'm right there with you except for the blowup doll. Inanimate objects can not give consent.
    inanimate objects are also property. if the person can prove that he/she owns the property, then proof of ownership is proof of consent


    wasn't there a case in Japan earlier this year or last where some dorky guy married his robot girlfriend?

    edit: it wasn't a robot, it was a video game girlfriend he created and married.

    equally bizzare:

    Lee Jin-gyu fell for his ‘dakimakura’ – a kind of large, huggable pillow from Japan, often with a picture of a popular anime character printed on the side.

    http://metro.co.uk/2010/03/09/man-ma...pillow-154906/
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Compromise?

    the issues is EQUAL rights, if there is a COMPROMISE then the issue is STILL equal rights, thats just silly.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    might want to read the plethora of other threads on this and other forums. sure "other" arguments have been used...but the heart of the argument for SSM is that gays deserves equal rights, specifically the same rights as heteros when it comes to marriage.

    funny how those who squeal the loudest for "equal rights" are usually the first ones to spew a laundry list of excuses/reason why other non-traditional unions should be denied the very rights that they bleat for so loudly for themselves

    if gays "deserve" the right to get married....then any other group of consenting adults deserve that same right.
    Nowhere did I say other arguments had not been used. They are not the best nor primary arguments.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    inanimate objects are also property. if the person can prove that he/she owns the property, then proof of ownership is proof of consent

    wasn't there a case in Japan earlier this year or last where some dorky guy married his robot girlfriend?

    edit: it wasn't a robot, it was a video game girlfriend he created and married.

    equally bizzare:

    Man marries pillow | Metro News
    It wasn't a legally recognized marriage. Just like marrying your blowup doll or any other property wouldn't be legally recognized because those things cannot legally sign a contract nor do they have legal rights at all.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nowhere did I say other arguments had not been used. They are not the best nor primary arguments.
    so what is the primary argument?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so what is the primary argument?
    That they are not legally allowed to enter into a contract based on their relative sexes/genders. That, in itself is good enough to challenge the laws. Then this is countered by the state by giving what legitimate state interest is rationally being furthered because of this restriction to entering into a contract based solely on their sexes/genders. Whatever reasons the state comes up with are then legally able to be countered with evidence by those wanting same sex marriage.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That they are not legally allowed to enter into a contract based on their relative sexes/genders. That, in itself is good enough to challenge the laws. Then this is countered by the state by giving what legitimate state interest is rationally being furthered because of this restriction to entering into a contract based solely on their sexes/genders. Whatever reasons the state comes up with are then legally able to be countered with evidence by those wanting same sex marriage.
    IOW...the primary argument is equal rights and non-discrimination.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    IOW...the primary argument is equal rights and non-discrimination.
    Which is an argument to get it to court, not won. Those other groups have every right to bring their cases to court and have them heard. But the difference will then come in the state's arguments for why the unequal treatment/discrimination is furthering a state interest. This argument is the key. Whether or not the state's argument for it furthering a state interest to deny those groups access to marriage.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is an argument to get it to court, not won. Those other groups have every right to bring their cases to court and have them heard. But the difference will then come in the state's arguments for why the unequal treatment/discrimination is furthering a state interest. This argument is the key. Whether or not the state's argument for it furthering a state interest to deny those groups access to marriage.
    so, if the heart of the matter is equal rights...why do so many gay supporters not support equal rights for those other groups? forget the courts
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