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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    There is no religious connection with a government marriage if the couple does not want there to be. It is a legally binding contract. No church/religion/God needed by the government for it to be legal.
    Yes, and this could also be a problem. There could come a time when people say that because "marriage" is more of a contract and a government entity that God and/or religious symbolism should be forbidden. That is NOT so far-fetched.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't see why not. If you want to share your benefits with someone you've lived with for a number of years, you should be able to do that. If people want to join together to share benefits and the like, I don't see why the government should be able to stick it's big ugly nose into it.
    Then take that up with the 40 states that don't allow them. To pass on government granted benefits, the government has to be involved. If you want to share your benefits, you are inviting the government in.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, and this could also be a problem. There could come a time when people say that because "marriage" is more of a contract and a government entity that God and/or religious symbolism should be forbidden. That is NOT so far-fetched.
    Seriously?

    1st amendment. The problem is already solved. Nothing short of a constitutional amendment nullifying the first amendment would allow anyone to say what you can do with regards to your religious practices.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Seriously?

    1st amendment. The problem is already solved. Nothing short of a constitutional amendment nullifying the first amendment would allow anyone to say what you can do with regards to your religious practices.
    NOT if marriage is considered a state or government institution instead of a religious one, and THAT could well be the road we are going down and is certainly NOT impossible.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    NOT if marriage is considered a state or government institution instead of a religious one, and THAT could well be the road we are going down and is certainly NOT impossible.
    Marriage is ALREADY a state institution, and a religious one. You do not need a church to make a marriage legal. but you do need the government to make a religious ceremony legal.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Yes, it matters. Separate but equal has never worked before. Besides, why spend the money to rewrite every law that mentions marriage, change every govt form that mentions marriage, etc. Just to create a replica of something that is already exists in the law.
    that's because separate but equal has never been equal before
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Marriage is ALREADY a state institution, and a religious one. You do not need a church to make a marriage legal. but you do need the government to make a religious ceremony legal.
    Yes and how does that argue against my post? It could come down to not mixing state and religion. It sure wouldn't be a surprise to me if some group or groups of people tried to push that agenda.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    how is this relegating anyone to second class status?

    gay couples get A, B and C, called civil union
    straight couples get A, B and C, called marriage

    the ONLY difference is what you call it. so apparently the word "marriage" is what is most important.
    Actually, common sense would be what is important. Making two sets of laws so that two groups of people can do the exact same thing, but calling one one thing and the other something else, just so as not to piss off a few silly, emotional people is kinda stupid. That is why civil unions as the OP expresses them is a bad idea.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes and how does that argue against my post? It could come down to not mixing state and religion. It sure wouldn't be a surprise to me if some group or groups of people tried to push that agenda.
    There again, the first amendment, protects your religious ceremonies. Nothing short of repealing the first amendment would be able to ban your church ceremonies.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    umm.... no. Firstly, the other nations that have explicitly rejected religion thus far appear to largely build themselves upon theft and murder. But that is an aside, because Secondly, why someone else may make the same choice I do in no way means that I have adopted their motivations.
    Close, but US law is based around British common law, not religious law. The origins predate Christianity. Further, nowehere does it say we make murder and theft illegal in our country due to the bible. You are just making **** up.

    I have seen that argued, just not yet convincingly.
    It is argued logically. No one's family is effected by SSM, except gay couples. Marriage is a more stable place to raise a family that outside of marriage. A significant portion of gay people have kids. This is actual logic.
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