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Thread: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    No, civil unions already exist as a different union. My grandmother had a civil union after her first husband died to protect her assets. Civil unions have different ruled for a reason.
    That is what prenups are for.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan62 View Post
    Neither gays nor lesbians can have babies inside the union that they are fighting us for. What an excellent point that you have just made for the opponents of gay "marriage". And another fine example of the inferiority of the concept of "gay" marriage.

    As far as the "slippery slope"...not so long ago the sentiment that "no one wants to marry someone of the same gender" would have been as absurd as your "marry a horse" comment, yet here we are.

    I admit that I appear to be on the losing side of this issue, but keep in mind that this alone does not make a thing any less wrong or destructive to the society.
    Infertile couples and the elderly can not have babies inside the union, but they are allowed marriage. Reproduction is not a requirement for marriage in any state.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Separate option for those who are not happy with some terms of marriage so they don't have to protest and make things difficult for everyone else if it ever came to that. Offering a civil union would take care of those people too.

    Edit: Oops! I must be getting tired. I said public option instead of civil union.
    There are no universal terms of marriage. Each state already has different wording on their licenses.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is what prenups are for.
    A prenup doesn't prevent loss of SS or survivors benefits from being reduced. A civil union can.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    There are no universal terms of marriage. Each state already has different wording on their licenses.
    I'm talking about any possible objection they could have. The terminology example was just that, an example. And like I said, the terminology is not necessarily an important issue to me, nor are any of the issues (I'm not married), I'm just trying to think in terms of at least attempting to make everybody happy.

    I still don't understand the objection that if someone is NOT happy with marriage the way it is that they can choose a civil union. YOU guys still haven't come up with any good reason for your objections other than to say a public option already exists and is defined. I could also say that about marriage. Take it or leave it.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    A prenup doesn't prevent loss of SS or survivors benefits from being reduced. A civil union can.
    That's great. I am talking about INCREASING the benefits one will have with a civil union, not taking any away.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan62 View Post
    Neither gays nor lesbians can have babies inside the union that they are fighting us for. What an excellent point that you have just made for the opponents of gay "marriage". And another fine example of the inferiority of the concept of "gay" marriage.

    As far as the "slippery slope"...not so long ago the sentiment that "no one wants to marry someone of the same gender" would have been as absurd as your "marry a horse" comment, yet here we are.
    "Inside the union" is moot since science has made it capable for heterosexual couples with reproductive issues to have babies . . . Period. What's good for the goose is good for the Gander so to speak. Also, my marrying the horse comment would not have originated had you not said the following . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan62 View Post
    Once that Pandora's box is opened, defining marriage as "two consenting adults" is just as discriminatory to man and dog/animal, brother and sister, man and multiple partners or man and inanimate object.
    In my experience . . . many folks act as if they have no idea what another person is talking about, or they act as if I brought the subject up . . . as if it is a real threat. Personally, I take this as a insult to my intelligence . . . whatever that may be. I'm sorry, that's how I see it.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's not the point I was making at all. It's the idea that some customs and things about marriage DO mean something to some people, and those people are not any less important than any other group of people, so they should also have some protections. The option of civil union for those who are unhappy with any aspect of marriage as it exists could use that option.
    My comment wasn't directed at you. It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, really. I literally just joined DP earlier today, and was simply sharing my thoughts on the subject.

    I'm happy to respond, though. There are things about marriage that matter to me. But I honestly don't see what I need protection from. Allowing SSM doesn't change or affect my own marriage, anymore than the thousands of heterosexual divorces do.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by RaisingPaige View Post
    My comment wasn't directed at you. It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, really. I literally just joined DP earlier today, and was simply sharing my thoughts on the subject.

    I'm happy to respond, though. There are things about marriage that matter to me. But I honestly don't see what I need protection from. Allowing SSM doesn't change or affect my own marriage, anymore than the thousands of heterosexual divorces do.
    In that case, Welcome! I don't see anything particular that needs protection either. It just wouldn't surprise me if a few years or so down the road from now we find that perhaps there are some things that need protecting. Of course, I can't say for sure and that is why this is just hypothetical and purely my own opinion. Not meant at all to offend anyone or, as someone else claimed earlier, to sound bigoted in any way.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    As for the, "if we allow SSM, before you know it, Joe will want to marry a horse, or a dog, or his hairdryer..." argument -- Will someone puh-leeeeze take me down that road??? It sounds an awful lot like the same road where someone experiments with pot, and the next thing you know, they are selling their behind in the NYC subways for "a fix." Another topic entirely... I'm just sayin'!

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