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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    My point is that if a gay couple wants to be married, that is fine. I would not want to deny them that. But when they try to change things about marriage, then it is not marriage that they want at all, and there are people who do not want certain things changed about it, and those people are NO less important if we are talking about true "equality" here.
    It is still marriage. It still functions as a marriage. You and they can still call yourselves "bride/groom", "husband/wife" as appropriate. You can still legally do everything that is an actual part of marriage. The only change is verbiage on one document as opposed to major changes in laws of not only the state you are in but also across the country.

    There are people that don't want any change at all. There were people who didn't want it changed to allow interracial couples to marry. There still are. There are people who don't want same sex couples to have any legal recognition and are in fact many who would prefer they be arrested, put in mental homes, or even killed for being together. There are still going to be some people like this after same sex couples are allowed to legally marry. Are their opinions "less important" than the rest of ours and why? (And this would include those who are against interracial marriage?)
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is so idiotic.
    Isn't this exactly what you are saying?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because it further degrades the emphasis on biological parent-pairs forming stable lifelong unions
    That arguement could be used against all adoption-based families.

    You decrease the degree to which Marriage has a connection to Family when you so alter its' definition.
    Incorrect. You decrease the degree when you alter the connection. Two lesbians or two gay men can still have the same level of connection with their children as straight couples do.


    Yeah, self-selection studies tend to do that.
    Are you suggesting that the studies I have read are incorrect?

    However, I was talking socially, not individually, and we are talking about the public definition of marriage, here, which as of yet, has not experienced this change.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    My point is that if a gay couple wants to be married, that is fine. I would not want to deny them that. But when they try to change things about marriage, then it is not marriage that they want at all, and there are people who do not want certain things changed about it, and those people are NO less important if we are talking about true "equality" here.
    What exactly are gay people trying to "change" about marriage? Seriously.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is still marriage. It still functions as a marriage. You and they can still call yourselves "bride/groom", "husband/wife" as appropriate. You can still legally do everything that is an actual part of marriage. The only change is verbiage on one document as opposed to major changes in laws of not only the state you are in but also across the country.

    There are people that don't want any change at all. There were people who didn't want it changed to allow interracial couples to marry. There still are. There are people who don't want same sex couples to have any legal recognition and are in fact many who would prefer they be arrested, put in mental homes, or even killed for being together. There are still going to be some people like this after same sex couples are allowed to legally marry. Are their opinions "less important" than the rest of ours and why? (And this would include those who are against interracial marriage?)
    Yes, opinions that hurt others and cause feelings of hatred are "less important." The customs and traditions surrounding marriage are in no way meant to denigrate anyone. They are just traditions. I have no problem with SS couples who want to get married and not make changes to marriage itself.

    In truth, I really DON'T care that much about the terminology issue in marriage licenses. As I've repeatedly stated that is an example I am using to make a point about certain groups wanting to change things for others.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, opinions that hurt others and cause feelings of hatred are "less important." The customs and traditions surrounding marriage are in no way meant to denigrate anyone. They are just traditions. I have no problem with SS couples who want to get married and not make changes to marriage itself.

    In truth, I really DON'T care that much about the terminology issue in marriage licenses. As I've repeatedly stated that is an example I am using to make a point about certain groups wanting to change things for others.
    What exactly do gay people want to change about marriage?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What exactly are gay people trying to "change" about marriage? Seriously.
    What? Are you trying to talk to me like I'm a human being now?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    I gotta go. BBL!

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What? Are you trying to talk to me like I'm a human being now?
    Never said that you weren't....hypocrites and bigots and everyone else are still Human Beings....

    They reality is, you haven't listed a single thing about marriage that gays want to change.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, that and to explain exactly what things about having equal tax and other benefits would make it MORE difficult for those who choose a civil union. Equal to married couples that is.
    Because there are some people, older people especially, that don't want all the same hassles of marriage, such as the fact that they could be considered legally responsible for certain debts of the other or they have other things in place to cover certain decisions through arrangements made with others but want one person to have certain rights/benefits only available through marriage. This is why civil unions/domestic partnerships were still left open to older couples but same sex couples could choose change theirs straight to legal marriage when it was made legal. Why not just get married if the person is old enough to qualify for such a partnership?

    Why force such a big change across the country by making them have separately named contracts covering the same thing? You aren't going to appease everyone with any solution. It is ridiculous to even think you would. There are going to be some who don't agree with your solution. I don't agree with your solution. I consider your solution something that will cost me money, no matter where we relatively live because the federal government would have to change things or at least pass extra legislation just to recognize that other union that is equivalent to marriage vice just changing a couple of laws, if that to become gender neutral (most of the federal laws I've seen are actually gender neutral now though). And every state would have to change to address recognition of civil unions as equivalent to marriage. This all would cost more money than just simply changing verbiage on forms. I am a very money-conscious person. I don't want to spend more money than I have to just because some people don't want to change the way they believe things should stay.
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