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Thread: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The world does not have to change because a few insist.
    Well, bringing it back to the United States and not "the world," 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage. That's the majority - not a "few."

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I say horse**** to that sorry...The world does not have to change because a few insist...there is such a thing as equality and such a thing as bending and conforming to the NORM also...you not only want the majority to give you what you consider to be equality you want them to STFU and word it..change it..mold it...to exactly what you want...and to that I say pfffffffft.
    I don't rightly give a **** what the "majority" want. I give a crap about the Constitution, and the law. If the majority of people wanted the government to ban hate speech I'd be against that too. "Majority" is an irrelevant appeal to me when speaking on constitutional matters unless said majority is strong enough to amend the constitution itself.

    You dont want the rest of us to accept equality
    I don't give a **** about people "accepting" equality. People didn't exactly "accept" it immedietely when blacks were made equal under the law or women were made equal. You can't FORCE social equality, and I have no intent or desire to force such. I DO believe though that legal equality can be enforced, and per the constitution should be enforced when the inequality doens't reach the necessary levels to be constitutional.

    65% of the country believes in god and religion and they dont want reference to that either ?
    And that 65% can use their religion as their basis for their VOTING. But 100% of their religion means jack and **** if it conflicts with the Constitution

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, first, again my argument was not based on "gays" but on gender.

    Having two seperate laws that do the same thing, but calling them different things, for a male and a female is the government implementing "seperate but equal" standards within the law.

    If a man marries a woman he gets to be "married". If a woman marries a woman they get to be in a "civil union". They both do the same thing (equal) but are called different things (seperate).

    That's problematic.
    I really don't see it as being problematic. I support gay peoples' right to be "married." I don't support them meddling with the terms and concept to fit their definitions. If they do this, then they truly don't want to be married. They are wanting to change the definition of marriage to suit themselves. That is not right or fair.

    If that that is what they want to do, then they don't actually want a marriage. Does this make sense? I'm really trying hard to make my point here. Don't know how successful I'm being though.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Agreed. You know, I just feel like if they want "marriage" then "marriage" is what they will get. They don't get to change marriage to make themselves happy. If they want something else, then they should be more supportive of civil unions.
    Oh, I agree here. The arguments recently over adding something else to a marriage liscense other than the "Bride/Groom" or "Husband/Wife" is ridiculous and I don't support it. There's no constitutional basis for why it should change and I don't begrudge anyone that doesn't wish it to change. It's easy to get on board with ACTUAL discrimination and constitutional issues with the law...it's a lot harder to get on board with what is basically an aesthetic nitpick.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I really don't see it as being problematic.
    I'm not saying it's problematic from a personal perspective, I'm suggesting it's problematic from a legal one.

    Change the context to another protected group.

    Let's say that a white man can get "married" to another white lady

    But that white man would have to get a "civil union" to join together with a black lady

    The "Civil union" and "marriage" would have the exact same benefits under the law...but would have different terms based on the race of those involved.

    Do you imagine that'd be legally problematic or perfectly okay?

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    They're equal when little girls daydream about the day some boy gets down on his knee and asks her, "Will you civilly unite with me?".

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    The husband/wife thing is OK if two men are allowed to both be husband and two women are allowed to be wives. What was insulting in that other thread were comments suggesting that gays should be forced to decide who wears the panties, who is the bride, etc.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not saying it's problematic from a personal perspective, I'm suggesting it's problematic from a legal one.

    Change the context to another protected group.

    Let's say that a white man can get "married" to another white lady

    But that white man would have to get a "civil union" to join together with a black lady

    The "Civil union" and "marriage" would have the exact same benefits under the law...but would have different terms based on the race of those involved.

    Do you imagine that'd be legally problematic or perfectly okay?
    Well, I'm thinking about it from a different perspective in that people should get to choose which one they want, civil union or marriage. If they are not happy with the concept of marriage, then they can choose a civil union and avoid the conflict of trying to change the concept of marriage, because it is very important and meaningful to a lot of people - much more than just a legally binding contract, and that doesn't necessarily have to have religious connotations either.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They're equal when little girls daydream about the day some boy gets down on his knee and asks her, "Will you civilly unite with me?".
    Really. For some reason, that doesn't sound as satisfying or romantic IMO.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    The husband/wife thing is OK if two men are allowed to both be husband and two women are allowed to be wives. What was insulting in that other thread were comments suggesting that gays should be forced to decide who wears the panties, who is the bride, etc.
    Totally. They shouldn't have to be forced to be either a husband or a wife but should get to choose any combination they desire. I have no problem with that.

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