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Thread: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Clarify.
    I have seen folks argue that expanding the functional qualification to fall within the definition of marriage to "two people who love each other" would not, in fact, degrade that institutions' social support.

    I have, thus far, found the arguments tempting (it would be nice if it was true), but not convincing (I do not think that it is).

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What you suggest is not compromise. What you suggest appeases one person and does absolutely nothing but potentially take something away from the other. Things like this are what cause conflict, and that is why it is a good idea that if you are going to appease, then you try to appease everyone.
    And you suggest something that takes something away from other people, whether you recognize it or not. Civil unions already exist at a level that those entering into them now want. They don't want that to change to appease those who are opposed to same sex couples possibly changing small things about marriage paperwork.

    You cannot appease everyone on this issue. It isn't possible. There are people that don't want same sex couples to have any recognition now. There are people who don't want to waste money on making huge changes when small changes work better (me). There are people who don't want to change verbiage on documentation that may affect them. There are those who just want marriage completely off the books altogether. There is no way you are going to appease everyone. So the most reasonable solution is the least amount of change that also gives equal rights under the law to everyone.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    but not convincing (I do not think that it is).
    And why is that?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you suggest something that takes something away from other people, whether you recognize it or not. Civil unions already exist at a level that those entering into them now want. They don't want that to change to appease those who are opposed to same sex couples possibly changing small things about marriage paperwork.

    You cannot appease everyone on this issue. It isn't possible. There are people that don't want same sex couples to have any recognition now. There are people who don't want to waste money on making huge changes when small changes work better (me). There are people who don't want to change verbiage on documentation that may affect them. There are those who just want marriage completely off the books altogether. There is no way you are going to appease everyone. So the most reasonable solution is the least amount of change that also gives equal rights under the law to everyone.
    As YOU stated, the terminology used is stupid and unimportant and basically irrelevant to the issue. NOW suddenly it becomes an important little change that we NEED in order to make SSM equal? I'm sorry, but THAT is hilarious. Do you not see the hypocrisy there?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    And why is that?
    I have seen no supporting evidence, and the last 50 - odd years have consistently demonstrated that when we do liberalize the function of the family, the results are disastrous, and concentrate their harm on those in our society who are most vulnerable.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    You CAN appease everyone by changing the laws about civil unions but still leaving marriage open as an option as well. Nobody will care if civil unions offer MORE benefits instead of less. There are no traditions or terminologies associated with civil unions that anyone cares about. Get real.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, this is all just a hypothetical argument because no one knows what will happen in the future. As to your statement about things must change a little bit to give same sex couples equal protection under the law, I have to scoff at that as you yourself stated that the terminology is stupid and petty and doesn't matter. You are contradicting your own argument.
    Do civil unions exist now? With what you are suggesting, would they have to change?

    And how do you figure I contradicted myself? I said it is petty and stupid because that doesn't matter overall to a person's marriage. However, there is a need for change because it is not reasonable to accept that a man must be referred to as "bride" or a woman "husband" just to be in a legal contract with each other. That can reasonably be viewed as offensive. Just as it would be offensive if a state had different marriage licenses for couples of different races, and those entering into a mixed marriage were required to use a certain race's form because some didn't want to change the whole system.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I have seen no supporting evidence, and the last 50 - odd years have consistently demonstrated that when we do liberalize the function of the family, the results are disastrous, and concentrate their harm on those in our society who are most vulnerable.
    Question: How does legalizing gay marriage alter the function? I still view marriage as having the primary role as a basis for starting a family, regardless of whether is is gay or straight.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You CAN appease everyone by changing the laws about civil unions but still leaving marriage open as an option as well. Nobody will care if civil unions offer MORE benefits instead of less. There are no traditions or terminologies associated with civil unions that anyone cares about. Get real.
    No you can't. You won't appease me and many others. You are not appeasing everyone.

    And there are still going to be people who want civil unions to offer less things because it also means less government intervention if they split up or for certain situations.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Slow down dude, who said anything about outlawing anything? Certainly not me.
    I'm just pointing out the absurdity of your faulty logic.
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