View Poll Results: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?

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Thread: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no one has to accept it, thats just a fact, people are still racist, bigots and misogynistic are they not?

    weird you made this post and it doesnt even address anything, my post stands and it has many facts in it
    don't break your arm, patting yourself on the back ~
    "It MUAT be true, 'cuz I read it, online" only counts if YOU didn't write it
    just sayin'

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Doesn't have to be though.
    It is right now. And there is a reason they exist right now at a lesser level, because some people want something less than marriage but that still comes with legal benefits/rights/protections just at a lower level than marriage.

    It would be stupid to have two identical contracts at the same level but with different names just to describe two different sets of gender combinations. It is fiscally irresponsible. Just as it would be fiscally irresponsible to change all marriages to civil unions because you would have to change all wording to that (afterall the whole point is that someone wants the word "marriage" not associated with either certain couples or the government contract) and you would have to also change "civil unions" that exist now to something else, since "civil union" describes a different level of legal relationship and there will still be some people who want that different level. People aren't getting into civil unions now for the name, they are doing it for the different level of recognition.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    which is why I say that we are becoming divided along a fork in the road
    whose pathways of tines will never meet, again.
    Personally, I believe the division is more like a tree where it looked like it was going to branch off into two equal branches. However, over time, one branch is slowly dying off. Yep the gay tree is healthy and strong.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You might have a point if countries based on other religions did not have laws against murder. Turns out they do have such laws however, making laws against things like murder and theft not based on religion.
    umm.... no. Firstly, the other nations that have explicitly rejected religion thus far appear to largely build themselves upon theft and murder. But that is an aside, because Secondly, why someone else may make the same choice I do in no way means that I have adopted their motivations.

    SSM does not shift marriage further away from a basis as the center of a family unit. Quite the opposite.
    I have seen that argued, just not yet convincingly.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is right now. And there is a reason they exist right now at a lesser level, because some people want something less than marriage but that still comes with legal benefits/rights/protections just at a lower level than marriage.

    It would be stupid to have two identical contracts at the same level but with different names just to describe two different sets of gender combinations. It is fiscally irresponsible. Just as it would be fiscally irresponsible to change all marriages to civil unions because you would have to change all wording to that (afterall the whole point is that someone wants the word "marriage" not associated with either certain couples or the government contract) and you would have to also change "civil unions" that exist now to something else, since "civil union" describes a different level of legal relationship and there will still be some people who want that different level. People aren't getting into civil unions now for the name, they are doing it for the different level of recognition.
    I don't have a problem with SSM, so long as they don't try to change everything about it. Get married and accept it for what it is or isn't.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Because there is no logical reason for the extra set of regulations.
    No, you are mistaking "what I think" for "what everyone must find logical".

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm sure that just out of the blue and after legalizing gay marriage, a state just decided to change the language on marriage certificates.
    They did it in the past as well, since the Washington marriage licenses at least in the 1950s used to not say either "bride/groom" or "husband/wife" at all. They just said "<This person> is legally married to <this person>". So why is it such a big deal now? It is still something that people can change to something more suitable if it is a big enough issue to enough people. For petty stuff, like this, it is still left up to the state to decide because it is not truly infringing on anyone's rights in anyway with what a person is referred to on a marriage license, as long as it is fair/non-offensive (reasonable person standard) to all.

    The reality is though that most people don't even look or care what terminology is used to describe them on the marriage license as long as they can get married.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They did it in the past as well, since the Washington marriage licenses at least in the 1950s used to not say either "bride/groom" or "husband/wife" at all. They just said "<This person> is legally married to <this person>". So why is it such a big deal now? It is still something that people can change to something more suitable if it is a big enough issue to enough people. For petty stuff, like this, it is still left up to the state to decide because it is not truly infringing on anyone's rights in anyway with what a person is referred to on a marriage license, as long as it is fair/non-offensive (reasonable person standard) to all.

    The reality is though that most people don't even look or care what terminology is used to describe them on the marriage license as long as they can get married.
    Good, then no one should ever make a stink about changing the existing terminology on marriage licenses.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't have a problem with SSM, so long as they don't try to change everything about it. Get married and accept it for what it is or isn't.
    But it is stupid to act like a change on a marriage license is really a big deal. It isn't. It is just a legal document. If the people in your state, where you get your marriage license from are willing to spend more money to offer more options for marriage licenses so they please everyone, then work a campaign to do that. The same is true for any state. But no state should be denying equal access to marriage just because some don't want verbiage on the paperwork to change.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But it is stupid to act like a change on a marriage license is really a big deal. It isn't. It is just a legal document. If the people in your state, where you get your marriage license from are willing to spend more money to offer more options for marriage licenses so they please everyone, then work a campaign to do that. The same is true for any state. But no state should be denying equal access to marriage just because some don't want verbiage on the paperwork to change.
    Exactly. So if it does state bride/groom, then that shouldn't be a issue either then, using your logic.

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