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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    as i already said a couple times, yes marriage had MANY influences in its creation

    what your point, its meaningless to the topic and its something i NEVER denied one single time.

    man i can smell your desperation
    My point was that your history was wrong. And the point this was made about like ten pages ago. The point currently is that you reference that you have "history" on your side, when you obviously have no grasp of the history of the marriage laws we are discussing.

    and it shows your dishonestly or ignorance of history in this debate.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    On the one hand,
    folks are going to do whatever they want to do,
    and no amount of legislation is going to stop them;

    on the other hand,
    acceptance of alternate lifestlyes forces everyone into this sort of Silence of Political Correctness
    where they are then denied their freedoms of speech, thought and lifestyle choices
    for themselves and their families.

    And, sadly,

    more and more,

    we're becoming a nation,

    divided.
    Yea this is part of the reason why I would change the language from marriage to civil union...

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1061236733][QUOTE=Objective-J;1061236724]
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post



    1.)Still don't know what you're talking about. Please quote what you have a problem with in my response where I supposedly "made something up."



    Oh no? Then what would they be? Everyone is either male or female. You may not like that, but it is an undeniable FACT.



    3.)I can't make heads nor tails out of this sentence. Sorry.



    Participating parties what?
    1.) I said and asked you "its logical to change the form because its now inaccurate, do you disagree?"
    you said you disagree but them made up your own option on the form? something thats not there

    do you understand that now?
    you said you disagree because you would do C, well we were only discussing A and B, i dint ask you about anything else

    2.) yes they are male and female but that doesnt make them bride and groom and what happens if Washington grants rights to transgendered or hermaphrodites etc?

    3.) its ok but what ive been asking you is that WASHINGTONS marriage form used ot say participating parties, it was changed at some time to bride and groom? why? does that bother you, it was accurate the way it was.

    4.) marriages in many states and million of licenses/forms simply say participating parties and always have.
    seems thats the best and most accurate way for a legal contract.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    On the one hand,
    folks are going to do whatever they want to do,
    and no amount of legislation is going to stop them;

    on the other hand,
    acceptance of alternate lifestlyes forces everyone into this sort of Silence of Political Correctness
    where they are then denied their freedoms of speech, thought and lifestyle choices
    for themselves and their families.

    And, sadly,

    more and more,

    we're becoming a nation,

    divided.
    nobody forces your acceptance or are they denied their freedoms of speech, thought and lifestyle choices
    for themselves and their families.

    thats actually what is happening to gays

    if people want to be divided on equal rights so be it, they are wrong, equality is what the country is about and we are slowly getting better.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    My point was that your history was wrong. And the point this was made about like ten pages ago. The point currently is that you reference that you have "history" on your side, when you obviously have no grasp of the history of the marriage laws we are discussing.

    and it shows your dishonestly or ignorance of history in this debate.
    history is on my side because the histroy i was referring to was what equality is, see another thing you just simply didnt understand and so you made up parts in your head that were meaningless.

    so make up some more stuff in your head and try some more failed insults becuas the dishonesty is all on your end with the things you make up that NOBODY said lol

    please tell me some more things i never said
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    [QUOTE=Objective-J;1061236757][QUOTE=ChrisL;1061236733][QUOTE=Objective-J;1061236724]

    1.) I said and asked you "its logical to change the form because its now inaccurate, do you disagree?"
    you said you disagree but them made up your own option on the form? something thats not there
    That is something that can be done that would make EVERYONE happy. What's wrong with that? Or is only making one party happy important? I think the goal should be to try to keep everyone happy and content.

    do you understand that now?
    Ooooo, snarky!

    you said you disagree because you would do C, well we were only discussing A and B, i dint ask you about anything else
    I can introduce an option C, and you can't tell me that I can't either.

    2.) yes they are male and female but that doesnt make them bride and groom and what happens if Washington grants rights to transgendered or hermaphrodites etc?
    A hermaphrodite usually chooses a gender. Or perhaps they should offer an "O" for other? That would be better than taking "bride/groom" away, right? Whether or not it is important to you, it IS important to some people obviously.

    3.) its ok but what ive been asking you is that WASHINGTONS marriage form used ot say participating parties, it was changed at some time to bride and groom? why? does that bother you, it was accurate the way it was.
    I'm unaware of that. Links please.

    4.) marriages in many states and million of licenses/forms simply say participating parties and always have.
    seems thats the best and most accurate way for a legal contract.
    That is your opinion though. A lot of people like bride and groom and don't want it to be changed. And sometimes when you give people an inch, they want to take a mile. I am curious to see what other "changes" might be made in the future. I have no problem with gay marriage, if that is what they really want. I don't support the changing of customs and traditions of marriage as is customary in America for the past few hundred years to appease some people.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nobody forces your acceptance or are they denied their freedoms of speech, thought and lifestyle choices
    for themselves and their families.

    thats actually what is happening to gays

    if people want to be divided on equal rights so be it, they are wrong, equality is what the country is about and we are slowly getting better.
    If, in your estimation, "equal rights" means that everyone MUST accept perversion into their minds,
    must try to explain it to their children,
    must watch as it's flaunted before their very eyes as some sort of understandable choice,

    then go paint rainbows on everything you see.

    Many folks are of the opinion that we were created, man and woman,
    in order to procreate,
    and that perverting the very basis of our sexual nature is totally illogical.

    Just as oil and water don't mix,
    neither do basic truths and obvious lies,

    which is why I say that we are becoming divided along a fork in the road
    whose pathways of tines will never meet, again.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1061236778][QUOTE=Objective-J;1061236757][QUOTE=ChrisL;1061236733]
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post

    1.)That is something that can be done that would make EVERYONE happy. What's wrong with that? Or is only making one party happy important? I think the goal should be to try to keep everyone happy and content.



    2.)Ooooo, snarky!



    3.)I can introduce an option C, and you can't tell me that I can't either.



    4.)A hermaphrodite usually chooses a gender. Or perhaps they should offer an "O" for other? That would be better than taking "bride/groom" away, right? Whether or not it is important to you, it IS important to some people obviously.



    5.)I'm unaware of that. Links please.



    6.)That is your opinion though. A lot of people like bride and groom and don't want it to be changed. And sometimes when you give people an inch, they want to take a mile. I am curious to see what other "changes" might be made in the future. I have no problem with gay marriage, if that is what they really want.
    7.)I don't support the changing of customs and traditions of marriage as is customary in America for the past few hundred years to appease some people.
    1.) im fine with making eveybody happy but again not positive that does that
    2.) nu-huh! lol i was being serious i want to make sure because we were missing for like 3 posts lol
    3.) yes you can but that defeat the purpose of the question :p

    if something was colored red and they changed it to purple and i say hey i think purples the better color than red and it works. DO you agree? and you say no orange is awesome!!

    thats like cheating lol

    4.) better? i think best is to restore it back to what it originally said "parties"

    5.) thats not an answer but heres a link
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....3-wa-zella.jpg
    and many states dont have anything but this on it

    6.) well im sorry if its insensitive but too bad for them, the form is meaningless THEY will still be bride and groom if thats what they want nothing changes
    are all the people that dont have that on thier form "not" bride and groom? of course they are if they want to be

    7.) again this isnt changing
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post


    1.)If, in your estimation, "equal rights" means that everyone MUST accept perversion into their minds,
    must try to explain it to their children,
    must watch as it's flaunted before their very eyes as some sort of understandable choice,

    then go paint rainbows on everything you see.

    Many folks are of the opinion that we were created, man and woman,
    in order to procreate,
    and that perverting the very basis of our sexual nature is totally illogical.

    Just as oil and water don't mix,
    neither do basic truths and obvious lies,

    which is why I say that we are becoming divided along a fork in the road
    whose pathways of tines will never meet, again.
    no one has to accept it, thats just a fact, people are still racist, bigots and misogynistic are they not?

    weird you made this post and it doesnt even address anything, my post stands and it has many facts in it
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J;1061236799[QUOTE
    1.) im fine with making eveybody happy but again not positive that does that
    LOL! You'll have to do a little better than that. Explain why it wouldn't make everyone happy. I think that it would.

    2.) nu-huh! lol i was being serious i want to make sure because we were missing for like 3 posts lol


    3.) yes you can but that defeat the purpose of the question :p
    No it doesn't. Other is an option, and it is asked to explain if you pick other. So you are wrong.

    if something was colored red and they changed it to purple and i say hey i think purples the better color than red and it works. DO you agree? and you say no orange is awesome!! thats like cheating lol
    Good Lord. Let's not go off the deep end with the ridiculousness now.

    4.) better? i think best is to restore it back to what it originally said "parties"
    Well I can't comment on this until I see that this is what it actually ever said via links.

    5.) thats not an answer but heres a link
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....3-wa-zella.jpg
    and many states dont have anything but this on it
    I will look at this later. Thank you.


    6.) well im sorry if its insensitive but too bad for them, the form is meaningless THEY will still be bride and groom if thats what they want nothing changes
    are all the people that dont have that on thier form "not" bride and groom? of course they are if they want to be
    Why is it "too bad" to be insensitive to one group but not to another? What in the hell would you be if not bride (female) or groom (male)? I already said perhaps they could put in an "O" for other, but that would be RARELY used since most people (transgendered, etc.) have at least CHOSEN a gender.

    7.) again this isnt changing
    Well, I'd really like to take a nice long look into that crystal ball you apparently have at your disposal.

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