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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    And HISTORY, dont make me laugh...

    1.)earlier you openly denied how the current marriage laws had Christian influence...

    2.)HOW can you even say this when the very part of it we are discussing is gays not being included in marriage... although that is not only a Christian thing... Christian views were the main factor in establishing opposite-sex marriage being the only aloud form of marriage.


    3.)Your history was wrong when we were talking about this earlier... YOU WERE FACTUALLY INCORRECT.
    The anti-poligamy laws are COMPLETELY derived off the Protestant Christian religion that was mainstream in America all the way to current days. Protestants banned polygamy saying it was a barbaric practice.
    1.)no thats not what i did, it seems you make stuff up, what i said was the way your worded a sentence was not true.
    Legal marriage has MANY influences, what you read is all stuff made up in your head.

    also the reality is, its original influences are meaningless to the debate.

    2.) easy see above, lol your funny trying to rehash different arguments to deflect and save face, you were wrong get over it dude

    3.) sorry i wasnt. nor does it matter to the OP

    again im not going to jump all around, this is an equal rights issue and thats that, let me know when you can argue its not.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Yes our definition of what qualifies as an equal right IS different. Because I defined in post #469 that this is an example of equal rights... my logic in it is sound. You never mentioned where you specifically disagreed. Because I think we disagree in the definition of it itself.
    no you make up your own i use facts
    cant be unequal if nobody has them and thats just the plain facts of things. i directly replied to that post and it factually wrong.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post



    1.)The terminology, as noted above.



    But to some people apparently it isn't meaningless. It was important enough to some people to write an article about it.




    According to who? Two married people are going to be one of any combination of bride/groom.



    See above where and what?



    Why change anything at all?



    My idea PROTECTS people who view marriage as a religious ceremony (hence the rings and vows - which DO have religious connotations). You can deny that marriage in America has religious connotations, but that does not mean you are right. There are most definitely deep religious meanings within the symbolism and terminology in a wedding ceremony.

    We have no idea what people will want to change in the future because "they don't like it."



    I don't know what this has to do with my post? Obviously there are nuts out there.
    1.) yes reality
    2.) sorry about their luck, they are not affected in reality . lots of people cry about stuff
    3.) facts, your statement is simply not true not all people will be bride and groom
    4.) it inaccurate
    5.) THATS exactly my point ORIGINALLY it said participating parties why was it changed?
    6.) they dont need protection because nothing changed for them, the religious ceremony isnt affect one single bit, it cant be thats against the constitution.
    7.) because you seem to be focused on gay nuts and not any other nuts
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm sure that just out of the blue and after legalizing gay marriage, a state just decided to change the language on marriage certificates.
    didnt say that but its logical to change the form because its now inaccurate, do you disagree?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    didnt say that but its logical to change the form because its now inaccurate, do you disagree?
    I do disagree. It is not inaccurate at all if allowed to use a combination of terms, such as groom/groom, bride/bride, groom/bride. What's the problem?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I do disagree. It is not inaccurate at all if allowed to use a combination of terms, such as groom/groom, bride/bride, groom/bride. What's the problem?
    well then you AGREE because you just made up something that wasnt there.

    I dont have a problem with that but it may still be inaccurate i think the state did the best move to assure it doesnt need changed again, it used to just say participating parties why was that bad?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.)no thats not what i did, it seems you make stuff up, what i said was the way your worded a sentence was not true.
    Legal marriage has MANY influences, what you read is all stuff made up in your head.

    also the reality is, its original influences are meaningless to the debate.

    2.) easy see above, lol your funny trying to rehash different arguments to deflect and save face, you were wrong get over it dude

    3.) sorry i wasnt. nor does it matter to the OP

    again im not going to jump all around, this is an equal rights issue and thats that, let me know when you can argue its not.
    What I said

    2.) U.S. marriage laws kept Christian thoughts on marriage heavily in mind in the development of them in this country. BUT ANYWAY that was pages ago

    Your response,

    2.) again simply not true

    How can you blatantly lie about what you said in the past when I can easily copy and past what you said...

    Your History was wrong...

    How, when someone is so caught up in their ego, that when they encounter a paradox in their own arguments their head doesn't explode?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no you make up your own i use facts
    cant be unequal if nobody has them and thats just the plain facts of things. i directly replied to that post and it factually wrong.
    argumentum ad nauseam

    And it is an unequal consideration of opinions of who can participate in a marriage. The current marriage laws unequally ban the ideas of certain groups of consenting adults of being able to have the contract.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

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    well then you AGREE because you just made up something that wasnt there.
    Don't know what you're talking about.

    I dont have a problem with that but it may still be inaccurate i think the state did the best move to assure it doesnt need changed again, it used to just say participating parties why was that bad?
    Explain how it would be inaccurate please. And why would it have to be changed at all. There is nothing inaccurate about it. It is completely accurate as it is with groom/bride or any combination of the two.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    What I said

    2.) U.S. marriage laws kept Christian thoughts on marriage heavily in mind in the development of them in this country. BUT ANYWAY that was pages ago

    Your response,

    2.) again simply not true

    How can you blatantly lie about what you said in the past when I can easily copy and past what you said...

    Your History was wrong...

    How, when someone is so caught up in their ego, that when they encounter a paradox in their own arguments their head doesn't explode?
    yes that was my response and its true, since legal marriage and religious marriage are quit different

    there was no lie at all, you simply make stuff up and what people ACTUALLY write you make stuff up in your head about it LMAO, its very common with you you do it a lot.
    i never said it had no influnces which YOU said LMAO those are not even close to the same the only person that lies is you LMAO

    please post more so you can look foolish again, i never said what you said which was this "you openly denied how the current marriage laws had Christian influence..." this never happened you made it up and lied and that 100% FACT lol

    tell me that cool line about ego again since you just failed and lied AGAIN lol

    let me know when you have something to disprove this is an equal rights issue
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