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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    One of the common arugements I've seen from social conservatives is that the creation of a civil union should answer the questions regarding gay marriage.

    Typically, the general idea is this:

    • The civil union will contain the same benefits as a heterosexual marriage
    • The term 'marriage' will only be recognized as between one man and one woman


    So, dear reader, my question to you is: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise with regards to the issue of Same-Sex marriage?

    I'll try to have the answers as applicable as possible.
    No. Marriage is a state institution which requires a license to be considered legally married and to break this license you must go to a government secular court and be granted a dissolution of your marriage.

    A SOLUTION to the radical right wing hysteria over this would be to announce they would deny a Holy Matrimony Ceremony in their church to any gays who would seek to be married in their church.
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sure thing. Here is a prior post of mine from this thread.
    THANKS!

    hmm well i agree with that but nobody is changing the concept marriage and sanctity isnt a concern to legal marriage at all

    i doubt anybody would choose civil unions though since its lesser
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    logic im very educated in, philosophy is MEANINGLESS to this topic
    Wow... you do know that philosophy is the study of logic and debate... It is the study of how to define the meaning of our words and characteristics in our premise's. To say that philosophy is meaningless to this topic is to say you have no clue what your topic is at all...

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1.)Ill put it this way, in order for all ideas of what marriage is to be equally considered, than there is no reason to restrict any consensual adults from these benefits. Because restricting the benefits to not being available for everyone, is unequal and discriminatory.

    2.)otherwise you are not considering all ideas of what marriage is equally... therefore it is unequal... 3.)When certain ideas are accepted and others not that is in-equal rights, in my opinion.
    1.) this is factually not true and that has nothing to do with this thread or equal rights

    2.) also wrong you havnet been able to prove your false example unequal one single time
    3.), you opinion is factally wrong.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    THANKS!

    hmm well i agree with that but nobody is changing the concept marriage and sanctity isnt a concern to legal marriage at all

    i doubt anybody would choose civil unions though since its lesser
    Doesn't have to be though.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Wow... you do know that philosophy is the study of logic and debate... It is the study of how to define the meaning of our words and characteristics in our premise's. To say that philosophy is meaningless to this topic is to say you have no clue what your topic is at all...
    thanks for your OPINION but nope its meaningless because we are talking about law and facts, i could careless what you think, your opinion is and what philosophy you come up with when i have facts.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Doesn't have to be though.
    in theory but unless theres a constitutional amendment to make them the same or something i dont know how to change it since legal preceadence has already defined that its not.
    Also it brings me back to my original point why do that, theres no real reason.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    thanks for your OPINION but nope its meaningless because we are talking about law and facts, i could careless what you think, your opinion is and what philosophy you come up with when i have facts.
    You haven't stated a single relevant fact this entire thread.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    in theory but unless theres a constitutional amendment to make them the same or something i dont know how to change it since legal preceadence has already defined that its not.
    Also it brings me back to my original point why do that, theres no real reason.
    Why do it? So that things that are important to a lot of people about marriage don't have to be changed to please same-sex couples. Such as in the other thread about one state wanting to change the names "bride and groom."

    And don't even TELL me that it isn't because of same-sex couples, because obviously it is, otherwise no one would mind the terms bride/groom.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I can't believe you talked to me about my education after I had to read that mess...
    still desperate grasping for straws huh? LMAO
    yep sometimes i type like **** LMAO doesnt change the fact you were wrong and haven been for pages
    let me know when you have any facts to back up your false claims also i talked about your education on equal rights and american history, you could be a genius at math for all i know lol
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