View Poll Results: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1.)Yes, they did... the law was that you could marry the opposite sex... this was "equal" for everyone.2.) If you confront this I will return to my previous arguments that demonstrate there is ALSO an inequality between consensual adults.

    3.)Do you think discrimination can only be done when the groups in question are defined by our culture?
    4.) Polygamist are a group of people.
    5.)People who want to use marriage purely for the benefits, are a group of people (this is the category I place the family members in).
    6.)And when you make a certain groups of people unable to obtain the same rights as others, than this is an inequality and is discrimination against said people.
    1.) no clue what this blabbering is about so make it more clear
    2. ) use any previous argument you wnat they all failed
    3.) nope nor have i even suggest anything close to that nonsense lol,
    4.) yes they are
    5.) yes they are
    6.) id agree but thats no happening in anyway what so ever. since NOBODY can marry family members and NOBODY can merry multiple people LMAO

    tell me what SAME rights they dont have?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    again, we are at the point in the discussion where history has very little to do with it.

    What subject do you think i am not educated in? I can tell how you are not educated in logic and philosophy, because you are making logical fallacies all over the place. Not saying I haven't, but I have noticed one yet and It would be great if you can point one out for me, cause then we may start actually being constructive if you actually know how arguments work.
    you are no educated in what equal rights are and you have proved that many times LOL
    logic im very educated in, philosophy is MEANINGLESS to this topic

    I have made ZERO fallacies here about equal rights, ZERO
    ive already pointed your out but YOU can never be constructive until you acknowledge facts, all i can do is correct you and prove you factually wrong and you can accept those facts or deny them, doesnt matter to me i just laugh at how you deny them and tomorrow i will still have facts on my said and will still have done.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    No need to elebrorate, it was explained perfectly and I don't have time for ignorance and games, sorry buddy I'll just watch you continue to get beatdown.
    so true, so true
    its pretty entertaining
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    4.) yes they are
    5.) yes they are
    6.) id agree but thats no happening in anyway what so ever. since NOBODY can marry family members and NOBODY can merry multiple people LMAO

    tell me what SAME rights they dont have?
    Okay I can work with this...
    "id agree but thats no happening in anyway what so ever. since NOBODY can marry family members and NOBODY can merry multiple people LMAO" so you agree with me, but this is simply what I have been saying this entire time in many many different ways in order to convey it to you. It doesn't make a difference whether NOBODY can marry family members and NOBODY can merry multiple people or not... just because nobody can do it right now doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to.

    "tell me what SAME rights they dont have?" they don't have the right to marry a person or persons of their choice.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Okay I can work with this...
    "id agree but thats no happening in anyway what so ever. since NOBODY can marry family members and NOBODY can merry multiple people LMAO"
    1.)so you agree with me, but this is simply what I have been saying this entire time in many many different ways in order to convey it to you. It doesn't make a difference whether NOBODY can marry family members and NOBODY can merry multiple people or not... just because nobody can do it right now doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to.

    2.)"tell me what SAME rights they dont have?" they don't have the right to marry a person or persons of their choice.
    1.) yes it does it make ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD because if nobody else can do it it NOT "equal" rights LMAO
    if you think people should have the right to thats fine by me but that has ZERO to do with equal rights and the op, ZERO
    2.)neither does anybody else LMAO

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    so true, so true
    its pretty entertaining
    Oh please, don't gloat, try to keep the theory that I am a not an adult alive now... cause this just looks immature and an attempt to arouse yourself into believing an Argumentum ad populum.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Oh please, don't gloat, try to keep the theory that I am a not an adult alive now... cause this just looks immature and an attempt to arouse yourself into believing an Argumentum ad populum.
    oh look a failed insult since you have no other factual or logical path to take LOL
    not my fault your wrong and others see that fact also.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    so tell me your suggestion again so i get it right this time
    Sure thing. Here is a prior post of mine from this thread.



    I think that both marriage and civil union should be options. If a gay couple feels that marriage does not meet their definition of their union, then the option of a civil union is there. Instead of trying to change the concept of marriage (i.e., the terminology, religious connotations, etc.), they can choose to be civilly united instead. In this way, the "sanctity" (I hate that word - LOL) is spared for those who feel it is important, and gay people (and straight people) can choose which union is better suited for them.

    IOW, I think both should be offered, and let the couple choose, but if they choose "marriage" then they are choosing all that goes along with it, the terminologies, etc.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) yes it does it make ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD because if nobody else can do it it NOT "equal" rights LMAO
    if you think people should have the right to thats fine by me but that has ZERO to do with equal rights and the op, ZERO
    2.)neither does anybody else LMAO

    try again
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    Ill put it this way, in order for all ideas of what marriage is to be equally considered, than there is no reason to restrict any consensual adults from these benefits. Because restricting the benefits to not being available for everyone, is unequal and discriminatory.

    otherwise you are not considering all ideas of what marriage is equally... therefore it is unequal... When certain ideas are accepted and others not that is in-equal rights, in my opinion.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    you are no educated in what equal rights are and you have proved that many times LOL
    logic im very educated in, philosophy is MEANINGLESS to this topic

    I have made ZERO fallacies here about equal rights, ZERO
    ive already pointed your out but YOU can never be constructive until you acknowledge facts, all i can do is correct you and prove you factually wrong and you can accept those facts or deny them, doesnt matter to me i just laugh at how you deny them and tomorrow i will still have facts on my said and will still have done.
    I can't believe you talked to me about my education after I had to read that mess...

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