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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes and no

    No more "Wife and Husband" in a LEGAL sense

    There's nothing stopping the words from being used in a soceital/cultural/private enterprise sense what so ever.

    Just like the word marriage wouldn't magically vanish simply because the government doesn't call it a marriage anymore. Those that want to call themselves "married" still could, those that want to get "married" in the eyes of their church still can, etc.

    Just like today a gay couple can still call themselves "Husband" or "wife" and "married" even if the state doesn't recognize it, they just can't say it in a legal fashion.
    I completely disagree.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Marriage is societal
    It's PARTIALY societal.

    It's also partially legal.

    The part that's societal, I don't rightly care about. If people in society don't want to view a homosexual couple as "married" then that's their perogative. If they don't want to view a lesbians partner her "wife", so be it. I don't care.

    But LEGALY, scoietal norms, mainstream beliefs, and irrational fears of it growing into something else don't override the constitutional issue reguiring equal protectoin under the law.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Equal protection under the law? Fine. Changing the wording and concepts of marriage? Nope. Then they can have a civil union because they obviously don't really want a "marriage."

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    For the record, I am not against gay marriage. I AM against them trying to change marriage to feed politically correct bull crap. If they want to have a "marriage" then they can have a marriage, just like everyone else, bride/groom and/or husband/wife. They should NOT have the right to change things to fit them. If that is what they want, then they should be ALL for civil unions which could be worded and defined the way they wish. However, when gay people claim they want "marriage" but then try to change certain aspects of it, they are only trying to agitate IMO. Why rock the boat? For vengeance? Sounds like it.
    So you're in favor of allowing two men or two women to be married under the law, with one simply taking the legal definition of the "husband" and one the legal definition of the "wife" in the coupling? Is that what you'r esuggesting?

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's PARTIALY societal.It's also partially legal.The part that's societal, I don't rightly care about. If people in society don't want to view a homosexual couple as "married" then that's their perogative. If they don't want to view a lesbians partner her "wife", so be it. I don't care.But LEGALY, scoietal norms, mainstream beliefs, and irrational fears of it growing into something else don't override the constitutional issue reguiring equal protectoin under the law.
    I tried to "like" your post, but the button isn't showing up, so I'll just say that I like it instead.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sure they do, until they want to change it suit them. Then, instead of changing it for everyone else, they should be unselfish and go for civil unions.
    ??? Be unselfish? I don't even understand that. Why don't straight couples be "unselfish" and everyone go for "civil unions" in relation to the government? I think that "selfishness" has little to do with it. "Civil" inherently means "not spiritual." The government shouldn't be in spiritual matters anyway.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you're in favor of allowing two men or two women to be married under the law, with one simply taking the legal definition of the "husband" and one the legal definition of the "wife" in the coupling? Is that what you'r esuggesting?
    They can take any combination of the groom/bride, husband/wife that they choose. If they both want to be "wife" or both want to be "husband"? That's fine by me, but when you want to CHANGE marriage, then you don't really want a MARRIAGE. You want a civil union or your OWN definition of marriage.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ??? Be unselfish? I don't even understand that. Why don't straight couples be "unselfish" and everyone go for "civil unions" in relation to the government? I think that "selfishness" has little to do with it. "Civil" inherently means "not spiritual." The government shouldn't be in spiritual matters anyway.
    Because marriage has meaning to some people beyond a civil union, and the terms and concepts behind it reflect that. The government doesn't have to be involved in spiritual matters.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Gays have as much a right to a religious ceremony as anyone else. Thus, no, "civil" union is not the same.
    Women and men are inherently unequal and do not have the same rights as each other

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's PARTIALY societal.

    It's also partially legal.

    The part that's societal, I don't rightly care about. If people in society don't want to view a homosexual couple as "married" then that's their perogative. If they don't want to view a lesbians partner her "wife", so be it. I don't care.

    But LEGALY, scoietal norms, mainstream beliefs, and irrational fears of it growing into something else don't override the constitutional issue reguiring equal protectoin under the law.
    I don't see any legal basis as the Constitution is written now that demands that homosexual marriages be recognized to comply with Constitutional law, it would take an amendment to do so in my opinion. Until that happens the legal regulation of marriage is up to the states and the states may regulate marriage via state constitutional amendments to define marriage (as many have) or by state legislatures doing so.
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