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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    So you agree ANY consenting adults should be able to get these benefits?
    but why call it marriage? This is a problem for me... Tell me your definition of marriage.
    no not any, there are rights and benefits some adults dont need or may not be of sound mind to enter into a contract.

    you having a problem is also meaningless, many people have problems with marriages right now.

    what my OPINION of marriage is, is meaningless to legal marriage
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) your alteration is meaningless to your OP and the actually topic, your opinion isnt supported by facts and history.
    2.) lmao keep saying no, fact wont change simply cause your OPINION disagrees
    3.) yes and the definitions of marriage and the benefits that come with it do not care about religion as i still get them with or without religion involved nor does the definition of marriage care about religion either nott sure why you cant grasp this fact.

    religious marriage is a separate entity and varies from religion to religion, legal marriage doesnt care about it.
    4.) i dont forget tha at all what you forget is that "tradition" isnt defined, it varies from person to person.
    5.) it needs SOME definition because its a legal contract, thats basic common sense and the government provides many of the benifits and protects them, again basic common sense.
    6.) gays shouldnt be restricted, some others should because of the rights and benefits provided and other legal precedences like contracts with minors that cant be made.
    7.) i cant define marriage because its subjective in anything else accept legal.
    8.) yes in some ways legal marriage is in some ways its not at all. and that cultural tradition will not be effected by law, my family has traditions they do when weddings comes, those things wont be effect one bit we will still do them
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    Your avoiding the issue.

    No, I want you to legally define what marriage is.

    "gays shouldnt be restricted, some others should because of the rights and benefits provided and other legal precedences like contracts with minors that cant be made."

    I agree that gays shouldn't be restricted, and I agree that contracts with minors shouldn't... but whynot anyone else? Literally anyone else?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no not any, there are rights and benefits some adults dont need or may not be of sound mind to enter into a contract.

    you having a problem is also meaningless, many people have problems with marriages right now.

    what my OPINION of marriage is, is meaningless to legal marriage
    No, I want to know what you think marraige should be defined as according to the government.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    No, I want to know what you think marraige should be defined as according to the government.
    i think its fine the way it is, im not familiar with all the 1400 rights and benefits, im sure some tweaking could be done
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1.)Your avoiding the issue.

    2.)No, I want you to legally define what marriage is.

    "gays shouldnt be restricted, some others should because of the rights and benefits provided and other legal precedences like contracts with minors that cant be made."

    3.)I agree that gays shouldn't be restricted, and I agree that contracts with minors shouldn't... but whynot anyone else? Literally anyone else?
    1.) nope havent done that in the least thats just a deflection by you to try and go off topic and make meaningless points
    2.) i cant i dont know what the appox 1400 rights and benefits are, look it up lol
    3.) because the rights, protections and benefits that make up marriage arent needed by everyone again pretty simple

    not to mention this has nothing to do with equal gay rights lol
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    i think its fine the way it is, im not familiar with all the 1400 rights and benefits, im sure some tweaking could be done
    But what does the government define as marriage? as far as when it relates to individuals who participate in it?

    Or to you is marriage literally just this agreement in which two individuals get these benefits? If it is that then why can't anyone who is not a minor or mentally disabled participate in these benefits?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    3.) because the rights, protections and benefits that make up marriage arent needed by everyone again pretty simple

    not to mention this has nothing to do with equal gay rights lol
    Who determines who needs these benefits or not? Does anyone actually need these benefits? And who determines what kind of relationship is enough to qualify for these benefits?

    It is related to the push for gay marriage, because I don't agree with the institution of marriage by government in the first place. So even more of it, i dont agree with.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Im not factually wrong the marriage laws in this country have been modeled after the christian definition of marriage. It should never of happened, but it did.
    We live in the present, not the way things were.

    And if we go back further in history we will find that marriage was not a religious thing. Plus, marriage has never been in this country just left to those who are religious.

    No religion owns the term marriage, not even Christianity.

    And it would be fiscally irresponsible to change the term we use to describe the most solid unions between two people, making them legal family. It would cost taxpayer money to change everywhere we use "marriage" in law to "civil union". And it would all be done just to appease those who wrongfully believe they own a term they don't.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Who determines who needs these benefits or not? Does anyone actually need these benefits? And who determines what kind of relationship is enough to qualify for these benefits?

    It is related to the push for gay marriage, because I don't agree with the institution of marriage by government in the first place. So even more of it, i dont agree with.
    The fact that we allow blood relations to have certain legal rights/benefits necessitates that we have a way for adults to grant those rights and benefits to someone other than blood relations. The most efficient way to do that is with a legal agreement that takes care of everything related to legal kinship being granted to that non-relative all with just one document.

    Now, if you are against some of the benefits of marriage, go ahead and fight those things. But it is really not logical to be against a legal contract that makes things more efficient than having several in its place.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The fact that we allow blood relations to have certain legal rights/benefits necessitates that we have a way for adults to grant those rights and benefits to someone other than blood relations. The most efficient way to do that is with a legal agreement that takes care of everything related to legal kinship being granted to that non-relative all with just one document.

    Now, if you are against some of the benefits of marriage, go ahead and fight those things. But it is really not logical to be against a legal contract that makes things more efficient than having several in its place.
    No , I'm not against the contract existing. Im against the government defining what marriage is, and who can participate in marriage, marriage is a cultural tradition. I'm not even against the benefits, but I am not naive enough to not understand where the motivations of these. benefits come from.

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