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  • Yes, civil unions are an acceptable compromise.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Not really what Im saying... I agree to take the government out of marriage. Im saying that is the only honest solution. 1.)People who currently want to keep the same government run marriage system but simply allow gay people to be label as married are disingenuous. 2.) Marriage is not something that should be in government, 3.) it is a cultural tradition.
    1.) nothing more than an opinion that cant be backed up with anything factual or logical
    2.) more opinion
    3.) history and facts disagree with you
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No they are not. Marriage pre-dates Christianity and as it is in the US comes from English common law. Nowhere is marriage in a legal sense christian based.
    If it makes you feel better... it is culturally based. I argue that the marriage laws in the U.S. have a innate Christian bias, but that's something I think is just common sense and I am not willing to get in a full debate about it.
    If you truly wanted it to be equal you should make these benefit's available to any two or more persons, because it is not the governments or your job to determine what is a "marital" relationship.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    If it makes you feel better... it is culturally based. 1.)I argue that the marriage laws in the U.S. have a innate Christian bias, but that's something I think is just common sense and I am not willing to get in a full debate about it.
    2.) If you truly wanted it to be equal you should make these benefit's available to any two or more persons, because it is not the governments or your job to determine what is a "marital" relationship.
    1.) but you havent been able to support that with any facts or logic.
    2.) the majority dont have a problem with this as long as its consenting adults and yes the government does need to be involved since they control the benefits.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) has not effect on my feelings at all just stating a fact.
    2.) yes it was that fact can easily be proven LOL
    3.) 100% WRONG, i can get married tomorrow by a singing Elvis and religion will not have anythign to do with it unless i choose so, do you live in america?
    4.) no that doesnt matter but in the US it has MANY traditions that are subjective and very from person to person and your traditions may be meaningless to mine just like i already said
    5.) wrong again, no they are not, it is marriage there is no problem
    1) Didn't address my allteration
    2) No
    3) No, you can get married by Elvis, but that has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about the very definition of marriage and the laws that come with it.
    4) You seem to be forgetting that the word marriage itself is a tradition in of itself. Why is it defined in our government? And why the benefits that come with it are defined as so? And why is anyone restricted, gays, ANYONE?
    5) what is marriage? Please define it for me. Is it a cultural tradition? Is it? If so, why is the government defining it? Or does the individual/s define it? Why is anyone restricted from the benefits?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) but you havent been able to support that with any facts or logic.
    2.) the majority dont have a problem with this as long as its consenting adults and yes the government does need to be involved since they control the benefits.
    So you agree ANY consenting adults should be able to get these benefits?
    but why call it marriage? This is a problem for me... Tell me your definition of marriage.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    So you agree ANY consenting adults should be able to get these benefits?
    but why call it marriage? This is a problem for me... Tell me your definition of marriage.
    Why not call it marriage?

    That is the better question. If somebody can give me an answer that is not based on religious/traditionalist sentiment, then I would be happy to reconsider my position.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    If it makes you feel better... it is culturally based. I argue that the marriage laws in the U.S. have a innate Christian bias, but that's something I think is just common sense and I am not willing to get in a full debate about it.
    If you truly wanted it to be equal you should make these benefit's available to any two or more persons, because it is not the governments or your job to determine what is a "marital" relationship.
    I understand you are not going to defend your position, since there are no facts to defend it with.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why not call it marriage?

    That is the better question. If somebody can give me an answer that is not based on religious/traditionalists sentiment, then I would be happy to reconsider my position.
    what is your definition of marriage? I can't address it unless we all have the same definition. But is that part of the problem.

    When it comes down to the government all it is, is that two or more individuals have an agreement to have certain responsibilities and benefits. Is this what marriage is? I don't think so. In my opinion a civil union describes this a lot better. Not only is it the right description, but it also doesn't define something that is cultural and is different to many different cultures. The government should not define such a thing.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1) Didn't address my allteration
    2) No
    3) No, you can get married by Elvis, but that has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about the very definition of marriage and the laws that come with it.
    4) You seem to be forgetting that the word marriage itself is a tradition in of itself.
    5.)Why is it defined in our government? And why the benefits that come with it are defined as so?
    6.)And why is anyone restricted, gays, ANYONE?
    7) what is marriage? Please define it for me.
    8.)Is it a cultural tradition? Is it? If so, why is the government defining it? Or does the individual/s define it?
    9.)Why is anyone restricted from the benefits?
    1.) your alteration is meaningless to your OP and the actually topic, your opinion isnt supported by facts and history.
    2.) lmao keep saying no, fact wont change simply cause your OPINION disagrees
    3.) yes and the definitions of marriage and the benefits that come with it do not care about religion as i still get them with or without religion involved nor does the definition of marriage care about religion either nott sure why you cant grasp this fact.

    religious marriage is a separate entity and varies from religion to religion, legal marriage doesnt care about it.
    4.) i dont forget tha at all what you forget is that "tradition" isnt defined, it varies from person to person.
    5.) it needs SOME definition because its a legal contract, thats basic common sense and the government provides many of the benifits and protects them, again basic common sense.
    6.) gays shouldnt be restricted, some others should because of the rights and benefits provided and other legal precedences like contracts with minors that cant be made.
    7.) i cant define marriage because its subjective in anything else accept legal.
    8.) yes in some ways legal marriage is in some ways its not at all. and that cultural tradition will not be effected by law, my family has traditions they do when weddings comes, those things wont be effect one bit we will still do them
    9.) already answered above
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I understand you are not going to defend your position, since there are no facts to defend it with.
    You love to distract from the main point... For your convenience I altered my stance to have marriage be culturally based instead. But you had to throw in the Gotchya didn't you...

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