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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    When the marriage laws were in place, the very definition of marriage was between a man and a women. That was the meaning of the word. Look it up in a dictionary right now and it will say the same thing. Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    All the perks in marriage of today is based on the Christian definition of marriage and family. The perks were engineered specifically for it.

    Why, if you are redefining it do you choose all the same perks? Why can't more then one person? borthers and sisters? Why play favorites with only this kind of relationship?

    The current form of marriage DID play favorites in every aspect of it. If you truly wanted it to be equal you should make these benefit's available to any two or more persons. And only the term civil union accurately describes this, because the term marriage is a very specific thing.
    again what you are trying to say now is not what you said nor does it change that your statements were factually wrong

    also fyi even your link refers to same sex marriage.

    please reread your original post because it is exactly as i labeled it, thanks
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    again what you are trying to say now is not what you said nor does it change that your statements were factually wrong

    also fyi even your link refers to same sex marriage.

    please reread your original post because it is exactly as i labeled it, thanks
    If religion did not exist nor the term marriage. This is why I called it a religious term. It is not factually wrong. In my post after this, I elaborated what I meant. At the very least marriage is a traditional culture term... our government has no place to pick favorites on particular cultural norm relationships.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I have no problem with government getting out of the marriage business altogether and leave gay marriage or straight marriage to churches.
    Good. But where we disagree is that I think it is disingenuous To change the current definition of marriage to include gay couples. The only reasonable solution is to make everything civil unions.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Good. But where we disagree is that I think it is disingenuous To change the current definition of marriage to include gay couples. The only reasonable solution is to make everything civil unions.
    Why? It is only the current definition. Definitions change all the time. Get the government out of marriage and let the churches decide who they want to marry. Why limit churches to only being able to marry heterosexuals?
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1.)If religion did not exist nor the term marriage. This is why I called it a religious term.
    2.)It is not factually wrong.
    3.)In my post after this, I elaborated what I meant.
    4.) At the very least marriage is a traditional culture term...
    5.)our government has no place to pick favorites on particular cultural norm relationships.
    1.) not true
    2.)your OP was factually
    3.) yes you mentioned religious marriage whuch has ZERO to do with legal marriage
    4.) yes it has MANY traditions that are subjective and very from person to person and your traditions may be meaningless to mine
    5.) good thing they arent doing that
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Good. But where we disagree is that I think it is disingenuous To change the current definition of marriage to include gay couples. The only reasonable solution is to make everything civil unions.
    nobody is changing the definition, the government is granting equal rights and civil unions is discrimination.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Nowhere... and I didnt say it did. All the perks in marriage are based on the traditional thought of the happy christian family. It wasn't based on a polygomy, it wasn't based on two gay couples, it wasn't based on a open relationship, it wasn't based on a muslim marriage, it wasn't based on some random cults idea of marriage, nor a friendship, or family tie, it wasn't based on any other possible relationship BUT the traditional christian marriage. This is something you can't really deny. And why didn't you answer any of my questions?

    Im not even christian myself, but this is something so obvious. All you guys seem to want to do is rub it in Christians faces.
    No they are not. Marriage pre-dates Christianity and as it is in the US comes from English common law. Nowhere is marriage in a legal sense christian based.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) not true
    2.)your OP was factually
    3.) yes you mentioned religious marriage whuch has ZERO to do with legal marriage
    4.) yes it has MANY traditions that are subjective and very from person to person and your traditions may be meaningless to mine
    5.) good thing they arent doing that
    1) If it makes you feel better... Ill call it a cultural norm and traditional term. ...all my arguments still hold.
    2) No.
    3)No, Marriage is all apart of the same thing. It has a cultural bias to what it is, all the laws structured around it give in to this bias.
    4) Yes, but what matters is what is has been portrayed as in the US.
    5) Yes, they are. When you don't change marriage and just let gay people become married you arn't fixing the real problem. Marriage is not a real thing, it is made up in our culture. The perks should be available to ANY two or more people, but instead you still choose to label it as marriage and keep picking favorites on this particular cultural norm.

    The most important point in number 5... so don't be sneaky and skip it like most love to do.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why? It is only the current definition. Definitions change all the time. Get the government out of marriage and let the churches decide who they want to marry. Why limit churches to only being able to marry heterosexuals?
    Not really what Im saying... I agree to take the government out of marriage. Im saying that is the only honest solution. People who currently want to keep the same government run marriage system but simply allow gay people to be label as married are disingenuous. Marriage is not something that should be in government, it is a cultural tradition.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    1) If it makes you feel better... Ill call it a cultural norm and traditional term. ...all my arguments still hold.
    2) No.
    3)No, Marriage is all apart of the same thing. It has a cultural bias to what it is, all the laws structured around it give in to this bias.
    4) Yes, but what matters is what is has been portrayed as in the US.
    5) Yes, they are. When you don't change marriage and just let gay people become married you arn't fixing the real problem. Marriage is not a real thing, it is made up in our culture. The perks should be available to ANY two or more people, but instead you still choose to label it as marriage and keep picking favorites on this particular cultural norm.

    The most important point in number 5... so don't be sneaky and skip it like most love to do.
    1.) has not effect on my feelings at all just stating a fact.
    2.) yes it was that fact can easily be proven LOL
    3.) 100% WRONG, i can get married tomorrow by a singing Elvis and religion will not have anythign to do with it unless i choose so, do you live in america?
    4.) no that doesnt matter but in the US it has MANY traditions that are subjective and very from person to person and your traditions may be meaningless to mine just like i already said
    5.) wrong again, no they are not, it is marriage there is no problem
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