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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Civil; unions are not common ground. Civil unions are creating a separate set of rules so that a few people do not get offended at what others might do, and for zero gain. Civil unions as the OP expresses(which do not exist in this country currently) would be the same as marriage, so you are creating a whole new set of government regulations because you are afraid of having gays sign the same form as you but in every other way being the exact same. Why can't you take responsibility for your own emotional irrationality?
    If Civil Unions were the exact same thing, then why the heated rejection of them?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    what logic?
    If I say my goal is X, but when offered X denounce it in favor of Y.... then my goal was never X in the first place.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If Civil Unions were the exact same thing, then why the heated rejection of them?
    Because there is no logical reason for the extra set of regulations. Only emotional ones. Note that you are not presenting any logical arguments for them either.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    maybe. The fact remains that those who wrote our laws put that in their because their religious background informed them that it was wrong. You are attempting to declare motive and belief to be somehow illegitimate.
    You might have a point if countries based on other religions did not have laws against murder. Turns out they do have such laws however, making laws against things like murder and theft not based on religion.

    it wouldn't. however, shifting the institution of marriage further from it's basis as the center of the family unit and in the direction of "just a couple of people who love each other" would absolutely make it weaker. Not as bad in the case of SSM as, say, no-fault divorce has done - but that's not really a reason to make it worse.
    SSM does not shift marriage further away from a basis as the center of a family unit. Quite the opposite. Hard to believe, but gay people have families and children too.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Drop the term marriage in government. And make it all civil unions. This is the only position I would advocate. I would disapprove of gay relationships being called "marriage" because I think the term marriage is a religious term ALWAYS meaning between a man and a women. Since it is a religious term, it has no place in government. You simply can't change a religious definition into a non religious definition by law.

    I would also disapprove two individuals not being able to get the same benefits as the current married couples do.

    In this set up, I do not see why anyone couldn't get a civil union... even brother and sister, borther and brother, friend and friend, gay lover and gay lover. It is not the governments job to declare what is a relationship and what isn't.
    Last edited by celticwar17; 12-10-12 at 05:53 AM.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Drop the term marriage in government. And make it all civil unions. This is the only position I would advocate. I would disapprove of gay relationships being called "marriage" because

    1.) I think the term marriage is a religious term ALWAYS meaning between a man and a women.
    2.)Since it is a religious term, it has no place in government.
    3.) You simply can't change a religious definition into a non religious definition by law.
    1.) you are factually wrong
    2.) see above
    3.) nobody is doing this.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) you are factually wrong
    2.) see above
    3.) nobody is doing this.
    Im not factually wrong the marriage laws in this country have been modeled after the christian definition of marriage. It should never of happened, but it did.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) you are factually wrong
    2.) see above
    3.) nobody is doing this.
    When the marriage laws were in place, the very definition of marriage was between a man and a women. That was the meaning of the word. Look it up in a dictionary right now and it will say the same thing. Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    All the perks in marriage of today is based on the Christian definition of marriage and family. The perks were engineered specifically for it.

    Why, if you are redefining it do you choose all the same perks? Why can't more then one person? borthers and sisters? Why play favorites with only this kind of relationship?

    The current form of marriage DID play favorites in every aspect of it. If you truly wanted it to be equal you should make these benefit's available to any two or more persons. And only the term civil union accurately describes this, because the term marriage is a very specific thing.
    Last edited by celticwar17; 12-10-12 at 06:10 AM.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    When the marriage laws were in place, the very definition of marriage was between a man and a women. That was the meaning of the word. Look it up in a dictionary right now and it will say the same thing. Marriage - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    All the perks in marriage of today is based on the Christian definition of marriage and family. The perks were engineered specifically for it.

    Why, if you are redefining it do you choose all the same perks? Why can't more then one person? borthers and sisters? Why play favorites with only this kind of relationship?

    The current form of marriage DID play favorites in every aspect of it. If you truly wanted it to be equal you should make these benefit's available to any two or more persons. And only the term civil union accurately describes this, because the term marriage is a very specific thing.
    From your link.
    a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>
    b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock
    c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hard to believe, but gay people have families and children too.
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