View Poll Results: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?

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  • Yes, civil unions are an acceptable compromise.

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Thread: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is generally the way of it. Those who are more confident in their power tend to believe in pushing conflict to the bitter end, and those who are less so tend to believe in finding common ground.
    I'm glad you're honest about that.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm glad you're honest about that.
    hey man, power is power. That's why Europeans want the US to have it's foreign policy subject to some form of external veto, and the US wants free reign to do as it pleases. One has power and the other doesn't.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I have no idea - it was never presented.
    I think you can do better than that kind of a dodge. Using the argument you've articulated here, it seems clear that the answer would have to be yes.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In many things, certainly. Tradition is simply the accumulation of what people who lived before us have found to have worked best. A sort of Democracy that is not limited to the living.
    What once "worked best" does not mean that it is best for here and now.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is incorrect. compromise is explicitly an option, and even more explicitly an option in this thread.
    Just because a compromise is available does not mean that it should be used. Particularly when if the shoe was on the other foot the other side never would have compromised.
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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No knee jerk here - I came to this conclusion from experience, direct and virtual, as well as the application of sound logic.
    what logic?

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What once "worked best" does not mean that it is best for here and now.
    I cannot think of any example where sociologically, when a door opened . . . that it ever shut again. Tattoos were once thought to be a deviant practice carried out only by convicts and sailors. Now-a-days, if a chick don't have a tramp stamp something is wrong. Remember when gays had to live in the closet? Think that is coming back anytime soon? Or will the door continue to open?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just because a compromise is available does not mean that it should be used. Particularly when if the shoe was on the other foot the other side never would have compromised.
    Here's a compromise . . . all those people against gay marriage get the first 230-years-or-so of the country without gay marriage . . . the rest of us get gay marriage for the next 230-years. Deal? Some people are going to look stupid in 40-years, and most will deny they were ever against it.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo
    Here's a compromise . . . all those people against gay marriage get the first 230-years-or-so of the country without gay marriage . . . the rest of us get gay marriage for the next 230-years. Deal? Some people are going to look stupid in 40-years, and most will deny they were ever against it.
    I couldn't give a damn, personally. It only starts becoming a problem when people start viewing marriage as a "right".

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I'm glad you're honest about that.
    If only our Congress were as generally intelligent as the DP posters....
    At least, IMO, our Surpreme Court is.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I couldn't give a damn, personally. It only starts becoming a problem when people start viewing marriage as a "right".
    SCOZTUS has said marriage is a right.

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    Re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    I cannot think of any example where sociologically, when a door opened . . . that it ever shut again. Tattoos were once thought to be a deviant practice carried out only by convicts and sailors. Now-a-days, if a chick don't have a tramp stamp something is wrong. Remember when gays had to live in the closet? Think that is coming back anytime soon? Or will the door continue to open?



    Here's a compromise . . . all those people against gay marriage get the first 230-years-or-so of the country without gay marriage . . . the rest of us get gay marriage for the next 230-years. Deal? Some people are going to look stupid in 40-years, and most will deny they were ever against it.
    Again, and a better example, The general intelligence of the DP panel is close to that of our Supreme Court, and far better than that of Congress.

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