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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Here's the problem with this argument. Whether the religious people or anyone else who feels marriage should only be used to describe a certain thing has their feelings hurt by others, who don't fit into their personal definition of marriage is not something that should be a consideration at all when it comes to people's rights.

    Thats wrong and thats the whole problem they dont feel its your RIGHT to change everything to fit the way you want it...you dont only want to marry you want to dominate how its done how its written and you dont want tradition or anyone elses desires even considered...at least thats the way you sound

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Here's the problem with this argument. Whether the religious people or anyone else who feels marriage should only be used to describe a certain thing has their feelings hurt by others, who don't fit into their personal definition of marriage is not something that should be a consideration at all when it comes to people's rights.

    Thats wrong and thats the whole problem they dont feel its your RIGHT to change everything to fit the way you want it...you dont only want to marry you want to dominate how its done how its written and you dont want tradition or anyone elses desires even considered...at least thats the way you sound
    no its right, why? because the FACT is that we arent changing any of their religious views nor does it dominate anything thats simply not true

    their traditions and desires are a complete non-factor because they fully get to keep them and they are NOT changing, stating otherwise sis simply wrong.

    Id LOVE for you to proof otherwise.
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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Here's the problem with this argument. Whether the religious people or anyone else who feels marriage should only be used to describe a certain thing has their feelings hurt by others, who don't fit into their personal definition of marriage is not something that should be a consideration at all when it comes to people's rights.

    Thats wrong and thats the whole problem they dont feel its your RIGHT to change everything to fit the way you want it...you dont only want to marry you want to dominate how its done how its written and you dont want tradition or anyone elses desires even considered...at least thats the way you sound
    I don't care how other people perform their weddings or what they do in their marriages. That is up to them, just as my marriage is up to me. But civil/legal marriage right now is purely a contract. There feelings are only being hurt because they are unable to separate legal marriage from personal marriage. Everyone seems to think that they should have a say in what goes on in other people's marriages, but that is wrong. Their marriages and what they do in their personal marriages is their business.

    If others want to add/have dozens of traditions in their marriage, follow hundreds of rules, that is their choice but it is not part of legal marriage and should not be. If they want to only consider marrying someone who is of the same race or of the same religion or of the opposite sex, that is completely their choice, but others should not be forced to abide by that rule for their own legal marriage. Because legal marriage is just a contract.

    The only consideration when it comes to the contract of legal marriage that should be made is how the specific laws work (this is not talking about restrictions put on marriage but rather how marriage legally functions) and whether anyone has a good chance of getting hurt because of the type of the relationship involved.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Here's the problem with this argument. Whether the religious people or anyone else who feels marriage should only be used to describe a certain thing has their feelings hurt by others, who don't fit into their personal definition of marriage is not something that should be a consideration at all when it comes to people's rights.

    Thats wrong and thats the whole problem they dont feel its your RIGHT to change everything to fit the way you want it...you dont only want to marry you want to dominate how its done how its written and you dont want tradition or anyone elses desires even considered...at least thats the way you sound
    Its hard persecuting someone else isn't it? I mean here you are trying to violate a persons rights and they have to get all in your face about it. They don't even respect your desire to see them ostracized by the power of the government. Everyone knows how much it hurts your feelings when the law is applied equally, why can't they simply accept being second class citizens?

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    no its right, why? because the FACT is that we arent changing any of their religious views nor does it dominate anything thats simply not true

    their traditions and desires are a complete non-factor because they fully get to keep them and they are NOT changing, stating otherwise sis simply wrong.

    Id LOVE for you to proof otherwise.
    No its not and YOU prove its so...you are really a silly person man...seriously...you think you soar above the clouds or something

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't care how other people perform their weddings or what they do in their marriages. That is up to them, just as my marriage is up to me. But civil/legal marriage right now is purely a contract. There feelings are only being hurt because they are unable to separate legal marriage from personal marriage. Everyone seems to think that they should have a say in what goes on in other people's marriages, but that is wrong. Their marriages and what they do in their personal marriages is their business.

    If others want to add/have dozens of traditions in their marriage, follow hundreds of rules, that is their choice but it is not part of legal marriage and should not be. If they want to only consider marrying someone who is of the same race or of the same religion or of the opposite sex, that is completely their choice, but others should not be forced to abide by that rule for their own legal marriage. Because legal marriage is just a contract.

    The only consideration when it comes to the contract of legal marriage that should be made is how the specific laws work (this is not talking about restrictions put on marriage but rather how marriage legally functions) and whether anyone has a good chance of getting hurt because of the type of the relationship involved.
    Nope you just want it that way because you want it the way you want it...you dont like marriage laws because you want something else..but I bet you like alot of other laws...being two faced just makes you more wrong...

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its hard persecuting someone else isn't it? I mean here you are trying to violate a persons rights and they have to get all in your face about it. They don't even respect your desire to see them ostracized by the power of the government. Everyone knows how much it hurts your feelings when the law is applied equally, why can't they simply accept being second class citizens?
    ROFLMAO...now im PERSECUTING all of you..WOW..I cant wait till you all get to the real good name calling then...sniff your going to hurt my wittle feewings again...man you people are a trip

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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No its not and YOU prove its so...you are really a silly person man...seriously...you think you soar above the clouds or something
    so basically you have no proof, thanks we knew that
    your other deflections are meaningless to your illogical false rants, let me know when you can proof your false post
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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Nope you just want it that way because you want it the way you want it...you dont like marriage laws because you want something else..but I bet you like alot of other laws...being two faced just makes you more wrong...
    What a stupid argument.

    I like marriage laws just fine. What I don't like is restrictions on who can get married based solely on the sex/gender of those who wish to marriage with no real justification for those people to not be able to marry that is based in reason or law. The most anti-ssm people have is "well marriage has always been between opposite sex couples" or "well most people want to keep their traditions and might get their feelings hurt if marriage includes same sex couples".

    If you actually have a reason to restrict marriage to just opposite sex couples that is truly related to harm caused or a reason that deals with some form of gender requirement within marriage, go ahead, present it. But I know you don't because if the relationships did cause harm, the relationships would still be illegal and there are no gender specific legal points of marriage. In fact, people can legally change their gender after they get married and remain married.
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    re: Are civil unions an acceptable compromise for SSM?[W:237]

    Quote Originally Posted by Well View Post
    Another way to look at this is in term of sensitivity. The term marriage has been used by religion for centuries to imply the onlyhuman biological union that can procreate. This term is sacred to many, and homosexuals are not sensitive to their feelings. The feelings of the religious are being considered second rate by the PC dual standard.

    Their religious did not start this name calling, with gay marriage, violatin feelings as bad as an racial slur. The hurt feelings is why there is so much angry resistance. But since their feelings count for less they have to accept the abuse or be called bigots.

    Maybe the religious should hi-jack gay terms and give them meanings that create hurt in the the gay community so the gays get a feeling for the abuse they are causing. They may not be sensitive to anyone but themselves and therfore are bunch of biggots.

    I was playing the devils advocate to show the dual standard that exists, with PC abusing power. I believe in free speech and therefore we all should be able to insult or be considerate of each other equally. There should not be a dual standard.
    Those same churches would willingly marry people they knew could not have kids. Further, gay couples can have children and in fact 1/3 of lesbians and 1/4 of gay men have children. Any argument about pro-creation is entirely false.

    Further, since religious marriage and legal marriage are two entirely separate things, any argument based on religion fails automatically.

    And blaming gays is hilarious.
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