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Did ACORN steal The Election?[W; 114]

Did ACORN steal the election?

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Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

TurtleDude said:
if you demand others pay more taxes to fund what you want you are generally a parasite or a loser.

I am not here to convince losers to stop being parasites. I am here to call that attitude what it is
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But here's where you're wrong. I don't want anything. I don't need anything. I guarantee you that I have used government services to the same or less degree that you have.

I simply want a system that provides a basic safety net (ours is the weakest in the developed world ALREADY) that I will likely never have to use and a functioning nation with an economy that values work. Right now, we have an economy that devalues work and overvalues capital, while at the same time one that makes it very difficult to get access to capital for those who would like to start a business.

We're being passed by nations like Norway and Canada for start-up businesses because our model is NOW designed only to take care of those who have already reached the top instead of encouraging those who want to get there.

Your "let them eat cake" attitude assures that your party will not take the White House and is going to have trouble in congress for some time.

You despise working people and your disdain is apparent throughout your party.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
We can at least agree on the lack of theft. But if you continue to insist that only "dependents" voted for Obama or Democratic Senators, you're going to continue not winning.

Calling your electors "losers" is almost as effective as trying to define what "legitimate rape" is as far as earning votes.
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Meh...while I agree there are some republican candidates that say some outright stupid things, I personally am not invested in the GOP being elected. I dont expect a ton of Libertarians to be elected any time soon. I DO expect there will be MORE debt, higher and continued unemployment, and things are going to steadily get worse until it blows up. Eventually, most major cities will become Detroit. When that happens...**** it and **** them. Eventually...it will be corrected, one way or the other.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
But here's where you're wrong. I don't want anything. I don't need anything. I guarantee you that I have used government services to the same or less degree that you have.

I simply want a system that provides a basic safety net (ours is the weakest in the developed world ALREADY) that I will likely never have to use and a functioning nation with an economy that values work. Right now, we have an economy that devalues work and overvalues capital, while at the same time one that makes it very difficult to get access to capital for those who would like to start a business.

We're being passed by nations like Norway and Canada for start-up businesses because our model is NOW designed only to take care of those who have already reached the top instead of encouraging those who want to get there.

Your "let them eat cake" attitude assures that your party will not take the White House and is going to have trouble in congress for some time.

You despise working people and your disdain is apparent throughout your party.
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HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY guarantee that
and I doubt you are paying anywhere near the taxes I do so your net use of government services based on what you use minus what you pay is far greater than mine

I despise those who intentionally impose costs on other people and are hostile towards those who fund their existence
 
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TurtleDude said:
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY guarantee that
and I doubt you are paying anywhere near the taxes I do so your net use of government services based on what you use minus what you pay is far greater than mine

I despise those who intentionally impose costs on other people and are hostile towards those who fund their existence
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I assume that you've never needed government assistance, or if so at any point, probably very little.

I have never needed government assistance. Thus, the same.

You don't pay for my existence any more than I pay for yours. I am not hostile toward your or your wealth. I'm hostile toward an attitude that suggests that you, the Koch Bros, the Waltons and others are to be worshiped like gods and we mere peasants who work to earn money should be thankful that you're around because you are somehow caring for us.

If you left the country tomorrow, no one aside from your direct family and friends would care. If the Koch Bros. shuttered their business and ran away with their money - no one would notice except for some of the charities they fund, and they would either adjust or go under. But here's what happens in America - someone will take their place. Someone always does.

Everyone with an over-aggrandized sense of self thinks they're irreplaceable.

No one is.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
I assume that you've never needed government assistance, or if so at any point, probably very little.

I have never needed government assistance. Thus, the same.

You don't pay for my existence any more than I pay for yours. I am not hostile toward your or your wealth. I'm hostile toward an attitude that suggests that you, the Koch Bros, the Waltons and others are to be worshiped like gods and we mere peasants who work to earn money should be thankful that you're around because you are somehow caring for us.

If you left the country tomorrow, no one aside from your direct family and friends would care. If the Koch Bros. shuttered their business and ran away with their money - no one would notice except for some of the charities they fund, and they would either adjust or go under. But here's what happens in America - someone will take their place. Someone always does.

Everyone with an over-aggrandized sense of self thinks they're irreplaceable.

No one is.
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Nah...they shouldnt be worshiped...but you COULD show a little class and say 'thanks for paying the bills' every once in a while instead of continuing to try to stab them in the heels with a stick.
 
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VanceMack said:
Nah...they shouldnt be worshiped...but you COULD show a little class and say 'thanks for paying the bills' every once in a while instead of continuing to try to stab them in the heels with a stick.
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I pay my bills too and I don't see anyone thanking me. Unless you want the government running up bills to send out thank you cards every April and giving higher payers bigger cards I don't see any purpose in it.
 
Did ACORN steal The Election?

FilmFestGuy said:
I pay my bills too and I don't see anyone thanking me. Unless you want the government running up bills to send out thank you cards every April and giving higher payers bigger cards I don't see any purpose in it.
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Do you see a bunch of rich people progestin and blocking streets whining about the poor? Staging rallies?
 
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VanceMack said:
Do you see a bunch of rich people progestin and blocking streets whining about the poor? Staging rallies?
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Those sorts of behaviors are for people WITHOUT power. THose WITH power work in different and mysterious ways.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
I assume that you've never needed government assistance, or if so at any point, probably very little.

I have never needed government assistance. Thus, the same.

You don't pay for my existence any more than I pay for yours. I am not hostile toward your or your wealth. I'm hostile toward an attitude that suggests that you, the Koch Bros, the Waltons and others are to be worshiped like gods and we mere peasants who work to earn money should be thankful that you're around because you are somehow caring for us.

If you left the country tomorrow, no one aside from your direct family and friends would care. If the Koch Bros. shuttered their business and ran away with their money - no one would notice except for some of the charities they fund, and they would either adjust or go under. But here's what happens in America - someone will take their place. Someone always does.

Everyone with an over-aggrandized sense of self thinks they're irreplaceable.

No one is.
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If I am paying a ton more tax than you do (most likely). meaning I pay far more for one dollar of indirect government benefits than you do
 
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TurtleDude said:
the benefits are essentially the same for everyone and as long as the rich are still paying more than the average citizen they are NOT GETTING HANDOUTS
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The rich have their own brand of handouts, which right now includes being able to pay less in taxes than is required to run the country.. hence the huge deficit.
 
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upsideguy said:
The rich have their own brand of handouts, which right now includes being able to pay less in taxes than is due... hence the huge deficit.
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stop lying. if they are paying the legal amount that is what is due. what a silly stupid comment
 
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johnny_rebson said:
It makes perfect sense that the vote difference between the two candidates was made up from dead people that Obama got to the polls.
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do you know how hard it was to dig up 5 million people and cart their sorry carcasses to the polls?

Man, anyone that dedicated deserved to win.
 
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TurtleDude said:
If I am paying a ton more tax than you do (most likely). meaning I pay far more for one dollar of indirect government benefits than you do
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so what?

A wise man once said to me "i pay six figures a year in taxes and every time I have to write out the cheque I smile to myself."

Incredulous, I asked "why?"

he said, "because I made enough to write that cheque and not have it change my family's lifestyle".

If as you imply you make a good buck, then you should see nothing wrong in paying your taxes to support the government and the country that have given you the opportunity to make those bucks. Obama was absolutely spot on, "you didn't do it all yourself, you had a lot of help along the way".

Your accusation that people who make less than $50K/' year are deadbeat blood sucking takers is nothing more than outrageous bigotry. If you examine the FACTs you will see that there isn't a state that reports higher than 4% welfare fraud.

That more than 50% of those on food stamps are classified as working poor, meaning they have minimum wage jobs or are underemployed and need a some help in making ends meet. All those people riding the gravy train at an average of $138 per month per person for food. Talk about a disincentive to work.

People like you are quick to condemn without command of facts. It appears you don't appreciate how fortunate you are, that your hard work has resulted in financial success, but I'll wager you couldn't work harder than day labourer, or a fruit picker, or the guy with two jobs working 14 hours a day to support his family, and yet for some reason you think these people are "takers" and you resent "your" money being spent on them.

A most christian attitude. But obviously you can't be a christian.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Thread is not about tax policy. Stay on topic or at least close please.
 
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TurtleDude said:
a strange and sickening combination of statist fascism and class envy.
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Except for having long been ensconced in the very class I am supposed to be envious of. And I'm sorry to hear of the distress that the mere wording of the 16th Amendment apparently causes you. That must be an awful burden to have to live with every day.
 
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Cardinal Fang said:
Except for having long been ensconced in the very class I am supposed to be envious of. And I'm sorry to hear of the distress that the mere wording of the 16th Amendment apparently causes you. That must be an awful burden to have to live with every day.
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sure you are-whatever you say. I am sorry you hate success and you think the purpose of the 16th amendment was to afflict those more industrious and prosperous than you are. The burden appears to be that of envy as evidence by your posts and a desire to control and punish those more prosperous than you are
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
But saying you're about fixing the deficit while spending more on the military and cutting taxes on the rich simply isn't going to get you elected. That's all I'm saying.
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It worked for Reagan. The again, he didn't have the full force of ACORN working against him. He promised to cut taxes, increase the military, and balance the budget in three years. Worked just great during the campaign. Not so well after he got elected.
 
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TurtleDude said:
sure you are-whatever you say. I am sorry you hate success and you think the purpose of the 16th amendment was to afflict those more industrious and prosperous than you are.
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More talk about the income tax? That would seem to violate the in-thread warning.
 
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Cardinal Fang said:
More talk about the income tax? That would seem to violate the in-thread warning.
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so why did you mention the 16th amendment?
 
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TurtleDude said:
so why did you mention the 16th amendment?
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LOL! Like this one, every thread graced by your presence is soon enough hijacked into discussion of poorly informed and morbidly warped ideas about tax policy. I was merely commiserating in this case with the extreme pain you reported the plain words of the 16th Amendment as causing for you. I suppose pain-management might be considered off-topic as well however, so maybe just go ahead and wallow in your misery.
 
Rainman05 said:
ACORN is dead for 2 years.

What that polling proves is that people are stupid.
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true enough-ACORN was not an actor in the last election though people once associated with it were active
 
Maybe James O'Keefe, but I don't think Andrew Breitbart was...
 
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