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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Don't you mean that the top 1% would pay a percentage of the tax bill equal to their share of total income?

    I.E. if the top 1% takes home 20% of the income, they "should" pay 20% of the taxes, by your standard?

    Or do you actually mean 1% of the population should always pay 1% of the taxes, regardless of income?
    I don't believe in income taxes. but using that standard the top 1% are paying about 40% of the income taxes and they make about 22% of the income

    that means they are still way overtaxed

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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't believe in income taxes. but using that standard the top 1% are paying about 40% of the income taxes and they make about 22% of the income

    that means they are still way overtaxed
    So, the first one, not the second. Just checking. (because the second would be horrifyingly regressive taxation)

    I would point out that income taxes aren't the only taxes. Better to compare total taxes paid rather than just focusing on income taxes.
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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, the first one, not the second. Just checking. (because the second would be horrifyingly regressive taxation)

    I would point out that income taxes aren't the only taxes. Better to compare total taxes paid rather than just focusing on income taxes.
    the rich still pay the most taxes. the group with the highest effective federal tax rate are those making between 400K and 5 Million a year.

    the bottom 20% pay negative federal rates on average meaning they get more than they pay

    but no matter how you term it, the rich pay far more dollars for each dollar in benefit received than any other group. Thus saying tax cuts are handouts is idiotic

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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Yes, the organization that ceased to exist two years prior to the election stole it.



    Makes perfect sense...
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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't believe in income taxes. but using that standard the top 1% are paying about 40% of the income taxes and they make about 22% of the income

    that means they are still way overtaxed
    Flawed logic and plenty of bias and prejudice.

    We could start all over again and return to the year 100,000 BC. (no taxes comment)

    Or return to 1949 AD, when the tax rate was 90% for the millionaires....note "tax rate".....

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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the rich still pay the most taxes. the group with the highest effective federal tax rate are those making between 400K and 5 Million a year.
    Outdated numbers, but yeah, they have the highest effective federal rate of "so much income left over after taxes that they don't know what to do with it all" as well. Poor babies.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the bottom 20% pay negative federal rates on average meaning they get more than they pay
    With respect to ALL federal taxes? No chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    but no matter how you term it, the rich pay far more dollars for each dollar in benefit received than any other group. Thus saying tax cuts are handouts is idiotic
    LOL! The wealthy easily receive the most benefit from public programs. If they didn't, they'd use their money to make changes. The question is whether the rest of the people will be allowed to receive anything at all. Self-aggrandizing right-wing pigs simply want it all for themselves. Unfortunately for them...

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived...

    It doesn't say anything about how much or how little income can be taxed or at what rates. Whatever Congress decides you owe is what you owe. By law. Resistance is illegal and grossly unpatriotic, not to mention immoral enough that we plop your butt in jail for it. Market conditions (brought about by idiot Republicans) currently demand that there be a price increase for public goods and services. Who are right-wingers to argue with the market?

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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is idiotic. tax cuts mean you have less taken from you that you already earned. ONLY WHEN THE TOP ONE PERCENT PAY LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of the tax bill would tax cuts for the top 1% become HANDOUTS
    You're so far off base. You believe that the top 1% of earners should only pay 1% of the taxes when they take home 17% of all income and 93% of all income growth between 2010 and 2011?

    That's why your guy didn't win.

    When billionaires and millionaires are throwing pity parties for themselves while people make $50,000 or so a year are paying higher effective tax rates, you expect the people making normal salaries to vote for the guys the billionaires tell us to vote for?

    I'm a capitalist, all right? I love the free market. I love my job. But to protect capitalism, you have to adjust for some of the inherent unfairness in it. If you leave it to its bare dog-eat-dog basics, there will come a time when the starving dogs will pile on the fat ones and begin eating. The fat dogs have to throw a bone to the hungry ones to keep them sated.

    That's how we got such a huge middle class. The capitalists used to pay good wages to their workers. Good enough that a family could make it on one salary. Now, they hoard the wealth, drive wages down, and try to keep it all for themselves. If it keeps up, things can, will, and should get ugly.

    I'd prefer it not. I'd prefer a decent safety net and good wages for working people instead of 90% of annual growth going to 1% of the population, while that same population whines about how awful their taxes are.

    Boo-****ing-hoo.

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    Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You're so far off base. You believe that the top 1% of earners should only pay 1% of the taxes when they take home 17% of all income and 93% of all income growth between 2010 and 2011?

    That's why your guy didn't win.

    When billionaires and millionaires are throwing pity parties for themselves while people make $50,000 or so a year are paying higher effective tax rates, you expect the people making normal salaries to vote for the guys the billionaires tell us to vote for?

    I'm a capitalist, all right? I love the free market. I love my job. But to protect capitalism, you have to adjust for some of the inherent unfairness in it. If you leave it to its bare dog-eat-dog basics, there will come a time when the starving dogs will pile on the fat ones and begin eating. The fat dogs have to throw a bone to the hungry ones to keep them sated.

    That's how we got such a huge middle class. The capitalists used to pay good wages to their workers. Good enough that a family could make it on one salary. Now, they hoard the wealth, drive wages down, and try to keep it all for themselves. If it keeps up, things can, will, and should get ugly.

    I'd prefer it not. I'd prefer a decent safety net and good wages for working people instead of 90% of annual growth going to 1% of the population, while that same population whines about how awful their taxes are.

    Boo-****ing-hoo.
    What in any of what you just wrote would cause or create to be caused better middle income jobs? Every discussion is about how you can tax the wealthy for more gov giveaway programs and says absolutely nothing about stimulating job growth and creation. The tax talk and budget talk is all bull**** smoke and mirrors.

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    Re: Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What in any of what you just wrote would cause or create to be caused better middle income jobs? Every discussion is about how you can tax the wealthy for more gov giveaway programs and says absolutely nothing about stimulating job growth and creation. The tax talk and budget talk is all bull**** smoke and mirrors.
    The topic is did ACORN steal the election.

    Nope.

    The reason your guy didn't win and your party lost seats is because they are viewed by a majority of Americans as doing anything they can to get tax breaks for the Koch Bros, et. al. and not giving a **** about the middle class - whose wages have stagnated for years.

    If you'd like to discuss, in detail, jobs creation bills, I'm glad to do so in that thread, but as for this thread - I'm merely trying to point out why people don't like the Republican Party very much right now and why your side lost seats in the House (despite being able to gerrymander more than half of the states), lost seats in the Senate (despite EVERYONE thinking you were going to gain), and lost the White House.

    Calling everyone who makes less than six digits "envious teat-sucklers" isn't going to win you very many votes. And openly campaigning for tax cuts for billionaires when you claim to be for reducing the deficit isn't either.

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    Did ACORN steal The Election?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The topic is did ACORN steal the election.

    Nope.

    The reason your guy didn't win and your party lost seats is because they are viewed by a majority of Americans as doing anything they can to get tax breaks for the Koch Bros, et. al. and not giving a **** about the middle class - whose wages have stagnated for years.

    If you'd like to discuss, in detail, jobs creation bills, I'm glad to do so in that thread, but as for this thread - I'm merely trying to point out why people don't like the Republican Party very much right now and why your side lost seats in the House (despite being able to gerrymander more than half of the states), lost seats in the Senate (despite EVERYONE thinking you were going to gain), and lost the White House.

    Calling everyone who makes less than six digits "envious teat-sucklers" isn't going to win you very many votes. And openly campaigning for tax cuts for billionaires when you claim to be for reducing the deficit isn't either.
    Nothing in your quote applied to ACORN. it did apply to taxing the rich. Nothing in this post applies to ACORN. It does apply to whining about the rich. Nothing about your whining about the rich and taxes has anything to do about middle income jobs. Long and short of it...you are whining about the rich and wanting them to pay more taxes.

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