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Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

How does this one end?


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No deal struck by January 1?

No deal post-dating itself?
 
A "band-aid" is about all we can expect from the pathetic Congress that we are stuck with. And problems will continue until true campaign and campaign finance reform occur.
 
The "cliff" is real tax increases (accross the board) getting rid of all of the "Bush" tax cuts, all of the Obama "temporary" tax cuts to SS withholding and removing the unemployment insurance "loans" to the states. The "cliff" is real spending cuts and does nothing to reform 2/3 of the budget - entitlement spending and interest on the national debt. It still leaves a huge federal deficit as well. I believe that neither party wants those real spending cuts so they will "compromise" invent a "deal" and continue to borrow and spend (kick the can down the road) and "promise" that a real deal is near. One must remember that taxing "the rich" happens either way (the "cliff" or the Obama "compromise") so what "compromise" is that really? USA, USA, USA...
 
i don't have a crystal ball, but if it follows the historical narrative, we'll see a punt in December and a watered down compromise next year. this compromise will avert the crisis for now, but only enough that congress and the president can pat themselves on the back for passing a bipartisan "grand bargain."
 
I suspect that a minor deal of some sort will be agreed upon, and no real changes will be made, then the dog and pony show will go on as always, until there is absolutely no choice left, but to take a Thelma and Louise-style crash.
 
I predict the "minor deal" scenario that'll punt the problem down the road.

Eventually, we'll hit that "Vanishing Point".

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Hope I'm wrong... but I think we're in waterfall mode. Not sure hardhats will help, but it's definitely time to tighten that life-jacket. Chances are good we're all going into the brink together... thanks to President Twitter for once again failing to lead.

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Hope I'm wrong... but I think we're in waterfall mode. Not sure hardhats will help, but it's definitely time to tighten that life-jacket. Chances are good we're all going into the brink together... thanks to President Twitter for once again failing to lead.

At least Romney knew how to get more done for less. As president he could have off-shored government jobs to those willing to work for half the price and saved us taxpayers a boatload of money.
 
At least Romney knew how to get more done for less. As president he could have off-shored government jobs to those willing to work for half the price and saved us taxpayers a boatload of money.

Wonder how many govt workers would go for that? Hell, they'd pass out if they were told they had to actually WORK for 40 hrs in a row, much less cut their salaries and move 'em off-shore!

#obamasux
 
The can will be kicked down the road until the system collapses, then the bloodshed will begin.
 
At least Romney knew how to get more done for less. As president he could have off-shored government jobs to those willing to work for half the price and saved us taxpayers a boatload of money.

Flip-Flop Robme would have tripled the deficit by more tax cuts for the wealthy and increased defense spending that the Pentagon did not want, ask for, nor need.

Just be glad Flip-Flop Robme lost, and will fade into obscurity.
 
thanks to President Twitter for once again failing to lead.

Seriously???? You think the entire country is in the place it is right now because of ONE GUY? Nobody else over the last 5 decades has any responsibility for anything? NOBODY??????

Please....how ignorant can you get?
 
I suspect that a minor deal of some sort will be agreed upon, and no real changes will be made, then the dog and pony show will go on as always, until there is absolutely no choice left, but to take a Thelma and Louise-style crash.

I think you nailed it.
 
Seriously???? You think the entire country is in the place it is right now because of ONE GUY? Nobody else over the last 5 decades has any responsibility for anything? NOBODY??????

Please....how ignorant can you get?

It was not an ignorant observation. The responsibility for Obama's failure is shared by everyone who voted for him (even the ones who have been dead for years). The country might survive an Obama presidency, but I'm not sure it can survive an electorate that would give him a second term.
 
Seriously???? You think the entire country is in the place it is right now because of ONE GUY? Nobody else over the last 5 decades has any responsibility for anything? NOBODY??????

Please....how ignorant can you get?

Let's don't get carried away with 5 decades. I was referring to the last 4 years of poor leadership in bringing Congress together. Yeah, yeah, Congress stinks and most of those good ole boys & gals have been there for decades... but never before in the history of the US have we had such a do-nothing record. Do you suppose it could have anything to do with the POTUS preferring to twitter and talk to college students about what he wants instead of addressing members of Congress?

Nah, I didn't think you'd agree with that.

Hell, the least he could do is invite John Boehner to play golf with him in the off-chance they might talk biz between mulligans.

Do-nothing President begats Do-nothing Congress.

We've got both.
 
At least Romney knew how to get more done for less. As president he could have off-shored government jobs to those willing to work for half the price and saved us taxpayers a boatload of money.

Ya' damn betcha! He'd a sent them jobs to China right away. No screwin' round. The jobs eleminated would become new people on unemployment. How's zat workin' fer ya'?
 
Flip-Flop Robme would have tripled the deficit by more tax cuts for the wealthy and increased defense spending that the Pentagon did not want, ask for, nor need.

Just be glad Flip-Flop Robme lost, and will fade into obscurity.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda... the lib's mantra.
 
Ya' damn betcha! He'd a sent them jobs to China right away. No screwin' round. The jobs eleminated would become new people on unemployment. How's zat workin' fer ya'?

So, you don't think there is any chance they could find a way to make themselves useful?
 
It was not an ignorant observation. The responsibility for Obama's failure is shared by everyone who voted for him (even the ones who have been dead for years). The country might survive an Obama presidency, but I'm not sure it can survive an electorate that would give him a second term.

Running a big gov't RINO, like Romney, McCain or Dole is not going to make any difference either. Note that the "Ryan plan", although much feared by the left, would, at best, approach balance of the federal "budget" by 2044, iff the economy growth improved over 100%.
 
Running a big gov't RINO, like Romney, McCain or Dole is not going to make any difference either. Note that the "Ryan plan", although much feared by the left, would, at best, approach balance of the federal "budget" by 2044, iff the economy growth improved over 100%.

Agreed. I wish we could find another Reagan, someone who had a sensible message and the skill to deliver it. Reagan got a bad rap for being a B movie actor, but his real career was as a labor negotiator (our only president who had also been president of his union) and he was very very good at it. That's a skill that seems to have been lost in both parties, and it's a definite "must-have" for sucessful governance.
 
So, you don't think there is any chance they could find a way to make themselves useful?


Well, yeh! The unemployed could show up at a "night soil" generator once each day to make a deposit. Jobs ain't zactly plentiful at this time. The Repubs lost and it is time to get behind the new management or move out of the country. I think the taxes will increase and should. I think Military Offense/Defense spending will be cut and should. I pray for some kind of co-ordinated push for honest renewable energy legislation. I desire that members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission be replaced by real people instead of cheerleaders for Nuclear Power. I would like legislation advantageous to small farms. I would like legislation that grows a new industry/job source in balance with our future National and International responsibilities. All easier said than done, but a nice, pleasant dream, nevertheless.
 
Let's don't get carried away with 5 decades. I was referring to the last 4 years of poor leadership in bringing Congress together. Yeah, yeah, Congress stinks and most of those good ole boys & gals have been there for decades... but never before in the history of the US have we had such a do-nothing record. Do you suppose it could have anything to do with the POTUS preferring to twitter and talk to college students about what he wants instead of addressing members of Congress?

Nah, I didn't think you'd agree with that.

Hell, the least he could do is invite John Boehner to play golf with him in the off-chance they might talk biz between mulligans.

Do-nothing President begats Do-nothing Congress.

We've got both.
By your own admission, most members have been there longer than 4 years, so how could the POTUS "begat" something that pre-dated him?

Zero logic.

The House is under the influence of rw extremism, so long as it is, nothing significant will get through to the POTUS's desk to sign. Boehner has no control over the extremists, his hands are tied as the debt limit negotiations 1 1/2 years ago showed, there is nothing that can be done even when direct talks happen between him and the President.
 
By your own admission, most members have been there longer than 4 years, so how could the POTUS "begat" something that pre-dated him?

Zero logic.

The House is under the influence of rw extremism, so long as it is, nothing significant will get through to the POTUS's desk to sign. Boehner has no control over the extremists, his hands are tied as the debt limit negotiations 1 1/2 years ago showed, there is nothing that can be done even when direct talks happen between him and the President.

Sounds like you're saying there's no sense in trying to negotiate, so Obama shouldn't even try. Sounds like his logic... you're a good lil soldier.

Here's another view on the subject:

EXCLUSIVE: WHD Obtains Obama Plan to Fix Economy!
by Keith Koffler on December 3, 2012, 11:12 am

White House Dossier has just obtained President Obama’s plan to roll back the crushing long term costs of entitlements, reduce unemployment, and spur the economy back to normal growth.

Given the importance of this information, we decided to share the plan with you immediately. Here it is:























I think it’s clear that, despite having taken time out for golf three times already since Election Day, Obama is on the job. I hope you are as reassured as I am.
 
Sounds like you're saying there's no sense in trying to negotiate, so Obama shouldn't even try. Sounds like his logic... you're a good lil soldier.

Here's another view on the subject:
Trying to negotiate with Boehner is pointless since he does not speak for the controlling interests in the House. You just can't seem to grasp the dynamics of the House, let alone what I have said so far.

PS...linking to blogs where the WH proposals are not even posted is a sure sign of .... again.... not understanding the topic.
 
There is no such thing as POINTLESS when you're the POTUS. Boehner is simply doing what we elected him to do... curb Obama's excessive spending. If he wants a tax cut on the rich, he needs to come up with some spending cuts. Tit for tat... see how that works?
 
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