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  • A relatively minor deal will be struck in December

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Thread: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    He does NOT want taxes to go up on 98% of the people.
    It's adorable that you truly believe that.

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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    Since this statement started out with two untruths, won't bother pointing out the rest. Except you're wrong to say this level of dissention existed before Obama took office. He's the master when it comes to creating conflict. The man couldn't lead a troop of Girl Scouts out of a burning building.
    Um...."dissention" happens when two opposing views meet, there was less "dissention" when Bush was in office...for the OBVIOUS reason that the rw House was OK with some of what Bush wanted, but that extremist bent existed BEFORE Obama was elected.....sheesh, understand context and chronology FFS! I was not talking about "dissention" existing before Obama came into office, I said the extremism of the House existed before he was elected. This shift in the House has been documented by both liberal and conservative writers for a while.
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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um...."dissention" happens when two opposing views meet, there was less "dissention" when Bush was in office...for the OBVIOUS reason that the rw House was OK with some of what Bush wanted, but that extremist bent existed BEFORE Obama was elected.....sheesh, understand context and chronology FFS! I was not talking about "dissention" existing before Obama came into office, I said the extremism of the House existed before he was elected. This shift in the House has been documented by both liberal and conservative writers for a while.
    So what you're saying is... dissention can't possibly be the fault of the Democrats' tax & spend policies, huh? One question... why on earth did you think things would be different this time around when he couldn't get anything passed for the last 4 years?

    Here's what he's expected to tell a group of business leaders today:

    Obama to stress need to raise debt limit "without drama"

    Both sides dig in on "fiscal cliff," "nothing going on"

    WASHINGTON | Wed Dec 5, 2012

    President Barack Obama will renew his case for tax hikes on wealthy Americans to avert a year-end fiscal crunch and call for a smooth increase in the nation's borrowing limit in a speech to a business group on Wednesday, a White House official said.

    The president is embarked on an aggressive campaign to pressure congressional Republicans to compromise on steps to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. He will argue to corporate executives that it would hurt the nation's economy to have another protracted political fight over raising the debt limit, the official said.

    "The President will highlight why it would hurt our economy and our nation's businesses if we do not find a solution to avoid another debt ceiling crisis, and will ask the business leaders for their help in supporting an approach that resolves the debt limit without drama or delay," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

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    The president will renew his insistence that taxes rise on the most affluent Americans in his speech to the business group, the White House official said.

    If the administration and lawmaker remain at loggerheads, going over the fiscal cliff is projected to throw the weak economy back into recession.

    Obama, re-elected to a second term last month in part on a pledge to raise taxes on the wealthy, has sought to pressure Congress into yielding on tax increases with a stream of meetings with a wide range of interest groups, including businesses, non-profits, and governors of states.
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    Maybe he'd do better actually *addressing Congress instead of hiding behind private citizens and hope they do his dirty work for him.

    (*not gonna happen)

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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's adorable that you truly believe that.
    If you have access to other verifiably and reliable infomration, please do publish it here.
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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    So what you're saying is... dissention can't possibly be the fault of the Democrats' tax & spend policies, huh?
    Huh..."dissention" can be a RESULT of two opposing views, BUT, the extremism in the House existed BEFORE 2009. That was and still is the point which you cannot accept.

    As far as what the House members are proposing, they are so shortsighted as to not be able to see that austerity is what is causing the EU to fall further behind. We did not go that route to the level they have, and as a result we are doing better than they...but the House thinks the EU model might be a good idea after all.



    One question... why on earth did you think things would be different this time around when he couldn't get anything passed for the last 4 years?
    Uh...he did get some VERY big things passed....which apparently you are confused about.....but this "crisis" was entirely a creation of the extremist House actions.

    Here's what he's expected to tell a group of business leaders today:



    Maybe he'd do better actually *addressing Congress instead of hiding behind private citizens and hope they do his dirty work for him.

    (*not gonna happen)
    Congress has known what the WH has proposed for some time, they (the House GOP) ought to get on with the business of Congress instead of being obstacles.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No deal struck by January 1?

    No deal post-dating itself?
    I'm all for going over the fiscal cliff. What? The GOP will get blamed? Oh noez!1 So, the GOP is supposed to cooperate with Obama just so they don't get blamed? What a bunch of crap. Take the blame, accept it, wear it as a crown of pride saying "this is what you voted for", and maybe offer a * Conservative* candidate next election, not another Liberal-Light like Bush or Romney.

    The GOP needs to STFU and go along with absolutely everything Obama wants. Don't stand in the way of anything. Rubber-stamp everything. Let Obama have his way on everything.

    The public has to experience the consequences of their stupidity in electing Obama in order to change their thinking. We need to use tuff-love on the American public and let them fully experience the consequences of the election.

    Let Obama have his way.

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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Well, yeh! The unemployed could show up at a "night soil" generator once each day to make a deposit. Jobs ain't zactly plentiful at this time. The Repubs lost and it is time to get behind the new management or move out of the country. I think the taxes will increase and should. I think Military Offense/Defense spending will be cut and should. I pray for some kind of co-ordinated push for honest renewable energy legislation. I desire that members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission be replaced by real people instead of cheerleaders for Nuclear Power. I would like legislation advantageous to small farms. I would like legislation that grows a new industry/job source in balance with our future National and International responsibilities. All easier said than done, but a nice, pleasant dream, nevertheless.
    So jobs aren't plentiful. Do you have any idea why that might be? Do you suppose it might just possibly have something to do with Obama's war on the people who create the jobs? Maybe with his idiotic EPA going rogue? Maybe with killing the pipeline? Maybe with his making the future cost of employees so uncertain via taxes and his Patient Disposal and Unavailable Care Act?

    How do you think jobs get created?
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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    The consequence of "going off the cliff" is it will damage the US credit rating and make it harder to borrow from China in the future.

    Well, since we shouldn't be borrowing money in the first place, it's ok if we go off the cliff.

    Oh, but borrowing money is the only way to pay for ObamaCare? That's fine, ObamaCare shouldn't exist in the first place, so it's ok if we can't pay for it and have to shut it down. That saves us the trouble of repealing it.

    The US is standing at the edge of a cliff, and I'm one voice in the crowd chanting "jump jump jump".

    Don't worry, Liberals, the GOP doesn't have the balls to do the right thing and jump. You've successively feminized the Right into being ashamed of being and acting like men. They'll cave. They always do.

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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    So jobs aren't plentiful. Do you have any idea why that might be? Do you suppose it might just possibly have something to do with Obama's war on the people who create the jobs? Maybe with his idiotic EPA going rogue? Maybe with killing the pipeline? Maybe with his making the future cost of employees so uncertain via taxes and his Patient Disposal and Unavailable Care Act?

    How do you think jobs get created?
    Uh....via DEMAND. Wealthy people do not create demand.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Will we go over the Fiscal Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh....via DEMAND. Wealthy people do not create demand.
    Nope. Jobs get created by supplying products and services that people are willing to pay for. You need to pull your head out of that Keynesian nonsense.
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