View Poll Results: Should the US government maintain its corn subsidies?

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  • Yes. There is a good reason they exist.

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  • Make some changes, but don't do anything too drastic.

    1 4.76%
  • No, significant cuts need to be made.

    2 9.52%
  • No. End all corn subsidies, now.

    9 42.86%
  • Why just corn? Get rid of ALL agricultural subsidies.

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    Re: Corn subsidies

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Well yeah, it's kind of embarrassing to preach about free market, free trade, etc and heavily manipulating the "free" market at the same time.
    Its not embarrassing to the monopolies and corporations in the USA - they understand all too well how the ravages of market discipline and genuine free markets should NEVER apply to them. These economic principles are for the small fish - the corner shop, the small company, the little self employed person. There can NEVER be bail outs for them. Who was it that said, "if they are too big to fail, then they are too big to exist"?

    I can recall what the USA told the Asian countries in the 1990s when their economies overheated and essentially crashed. The USA strongly recommended to all the Asian countries - including Japan and Singapore to NOT implement bail out rescue packages and above all to NOT nationalise any banking institutions or important large corporations or industrial sectors. The USA then pushed ASian nations to implement further privatisation and corporatisation programs and said that allowing the financially stricken commercial sectors and corporations to collapse was a good thing and that it would lead to a stronger economy in the long run. (which is generally does, if the nations itself still controls the bulk of the assets)

    And of course this was ideologically driven advice that had self interest at heart - because it was the USA and the west that snapped up corporate and state asset bargains during the economic turmoil in Asia.

    And the USA did the complete opposite in the 2008 GFC to what they advised the Asian countries to do. They implemented trillion dollar tax payer funded stimulus packages (also known as corporate welfare) and nationalised the auto industry. lol

    The same advice was given to Argentina when its currency and economy collapsed in the 90s, which resulted in Argentina defaulting on its loans. It caused a lot of short term pain, but Argentina recovered within a decade and is far stronger now. This is what Greece, Ireland, Spain, etc should do now - the problem is an external banking and credit crisis which the sector wishes to shift the total debt (which they created) into state hands.

    So you shouldn't be embarrassed at standard practice in the USA. In good economic times, the private/corporate sector is subsidised and propped up artificially by the tax payer, and during bad economic times, the private/corporate sector is subsidised and propped up by the tax payer.

    Its the fascist Corpocracy at its grandest!

    And the media (which is a corporatized entity anyway) remains silent or totally spins the truth into total BS

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    Last edited by Klown; 12-05-12 at 09:01 AM.

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    Re: Corn subsidies

    I'm pretty sure the Bolsheviks and the Nazi's subsidized their farmers too and they never imposed High Fructose Corn syrup on their populations.

    Not only is the subsidy of corn dumb, the subsidy is also for ethanol made out of corn. Just another thing to help make corn scarce and raise prices.

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    Re: Corn subsidies

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Sure.. Nobody will grow corn and the cost of corn will sky rocket.. While the price of pot will drop to nothing.. Is that going to be what is for dinner?? Did anyone see that low calorie bong at Walmart??
    if corn prices skyrocket due to cannabis being grown, subsidies still won't be necessary, because more farmers will want to grow it again. problem solved either way.

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    Re: Corn subsidies

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Each year, the US government spends several billion dollars subsidizing corn. By some measures, it is the most-heavily subsidized crop in the US. Most of the corn goes into animal feed as a substitute for grass, high fructose corn syrup, or ethanol fuel.

    What changes would you make? Would you get rid of them entirely?
    Pretty much yes, I would just end them entirely. A plethora of other subsidies as well.
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    Re: Corn subsidies

    I honestly don't know the answer to this question. Not being as informed as I'd like, I'm not sure if this is just a big agriculture lobbyist bought and paid for hook-up or does it meet a real need that otherwise would result in a food shortage crisis.

    At a minimum I think its ridiculous that the taxpayers could be financing diabetes, heart disease, obesity and early death of Americans. Much if not most of the corn produced in America is used to create what some experts say is a very unhealthy sweetener, high fructose corn syrup and high empty calorie corn starch filler, both of which is added to nearly all of the food on the shelves at our grocery stores. Then, conservatives get duped again with slick PR ads on TV that suggest an overreaching government is trying to encroach upon their freedom by simply educating them that their (corporate welfare paid for) soft drinks are unhealthy and the government and especially the Office of the First Lady and the Mayor of New York need to stop "forcing" Americans to eat and drink what they allow. They hilariously forget the fact that every time they have a soda, the "get the government out of our lives" crowd is chugging down an ice cold glass of welfare!
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    Re: Corn subsidies

    no vote
    I do not know why we have them, there may be a good reason. The people(like me and many other opinionated old fools) should never vote on something like this, few (NotquiteRight for one) have the necessary knowledge, IMO.
    And, our Mr Not Quite Right so elegantly posted, there are good reasons for the subsidies...knowledge requires that one gets his hands dirty with the actual experience...
    Last edited by earthworm; 12-05-12 at 11:07 AM.

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    Re: Corn subsidies

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Sure.. Nobody will grow corn and the cost of corn will sky rocket..
    Actually they will lose a price floor, non-competitive businesses will have their market share taken by efficient ones, and the price of corn will drop dramatically.

    Because the subsidies that we have in place today are designed deliberately to keep prices high. I remain amazed at how few people really appreciate this.

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    Re: Corn subsidies

    Of course some of these subsidies are necessary.

    The oil and sugar industries in America would never be profitable without the subsidies they receive.

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    Re: Corn subsidies

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    no vote
    I do not know why we have them, there may be a good reason. The people(like me and many other opinionated old fools) should never vote on something like this, few (NotquiteRight for one) have the necessary knowledge, IMO.
    And, our Mr Not Quite Right so elegantly posted, there are good reasons for the subsidies...knowledge requires that one gets his hands dirty with the actual experience...
    It seems to be centered around the action of controlling prices, and keeping them from dropping too low. It's similar to the subsidization in the dairy farm business back in the 60's, when one of my uncles shut his operation down, because he was paid to do so by the government.
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    Re: Corn subsidies

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I honestly don't know the answer to this question. Not being as informed as I'd like, I'm not sure if this is just a big agriculture lobbyist bought and paid for hook-up or does it meet a real need that otherwise would result in a food shortage crisis.

    At a minimum I think its ridiculous that the taxpayers could be financing diabetes, heart disease, obesity and early death of Americans. Much if not most of the corn produced in America is used to create what some experts say is a very unhealthy sweetener, high fructose corn syrup and high empty calorie corn starch filler, both of which is added to nearly all of the food on the shelves at our grocery stores. Then, conservatives get duped again with slick PR ads on TV that suggest an overreaching government is trying to encroach upon their freedom by simply educating them that their (corporate welfare paid for) soft drinks are unhealthy and the government and especially the Office of the First Lady and the Mayor of New York need to stop "forcing" Americans to eat and drink what they allow. They hilariously forget the fact that every time they have a soda, the "get the government out of our lives" crowd is chugging down an ice cold glass of welfare!
    An excellent post....., I even agree 99%....
    As a diabetic, I've had to cut back about 90% on all the sugars..
    Our diets in general are horrific, and ads do not help.
    Education, and NOT from the conservatives , either, is the answer....

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