View Poll Results: Should We get involved in Syria

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  • Yes, we should get fully committed and take the lead with troops on the ground.

    2 5.41%
  • Yes, but we should only lead with an air campaign.

    2 5.41%
  • No. Another UN nation should take the lead. We can assist, but only assist.

    5 13.51%
  • Other (please state)

    3 8.11%
  • No. It isn't our conflict. We should not get involved on any level.

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Thread: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

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    Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    I was in the car listening to Anderson Cooper talk about the horrors of Syria going on right now. He asked the question: "why did it take the threat of chemical weapons for us to get involved?" Well Mr. Cooper I have a few things to say to that comment. To start off with: do you REALLY want us to get involved in yet another conflict in the Middle East? I guess it helps make you money off the news profits doesn't it?

    So with that question I think I answered why nobody has done anything. I think that maybe Mr. Cooper would be happy with a Clintonesque respone from Obama. Launch a couple missles and call it a day. Here is the problem...that doesn't work. We end up killing civillians and the whole world hates us. People cry about how "America is always getting involved where it doesn't belong." So the only TRUE answer to stopping the violence is to get boots on the ground. Even then you still kill civllians, but it helps to have a Humvee with mounted LMGs/.50s parked on every corner. You also lose your own men in the process. You may not lose huge numbers, but your men still get attacked by IEDs. They get hit with rockets and mortars. Snipers shoot at them. People die. And then the question is do you SOLVE the issue? Or do you create MORE chaos? Do the people just reduce their attacks and wait for you to leave? Western civilization has proved that we have no patience or stomach for long drawn out conflict.

    So NOW the another question: who is going to get involved in this conflict to stop the violence? Certainly not American troops in election season right? Besides we are already involved in Afghanistan and we JUST got out of Iraq. What kind of backlash does that present to our own people? Of course we always hear from our "friends" across the sea about how our involvement causes problems. How we create more violence than we solve. Of course when we DON'T get involved what happens? We get blamed for not helping.

    So Do we expect the Europeans to get involved? Is there any foreign Western power that could help? That has the STANDING ARMY to put boots on the ground and assist? Maybe Sweeden? Finland? Norway? Denmark? France? Germany? Russia? Does anyone see these nations taking the forefront? Maybe Belgium or the Dutch? Canada? If they want to take the LEAD I support them. I will support them like they support us. But does anyone truly have the military ability to do what is needed to "solve" the problem? I think the only current nation with true occupational experience is...China? LOL!!! I could see them helping out.

    Anyway now I post the question: Do you think we should get involved?
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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    Nope.

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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    No, we should not get involved. This appears to be a revolution just like many others that have occurred in the past most of which we were not involved in. As to the chemical weapons, how sure are we that they exist? Is the intelligence as sound as it was on the WMD’s in Iraq? Are these the only chemical weapons ‘loose’ on the planet that we should fear?
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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    Its simply a matter of priorities. We should invade Syria right after we balance the federal budget, seal our southern border, invade U.S. sanctuary cities and crack down places that ignore federal recreational drug laws.
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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    No, we should not get involved... unless the Syrian civil war threatens our allies along the Syrian border.

    This is a lose-lose situation for the west. If Assad remains in power, a genocidal dictator will remain in charge of Syria. If the rebels take power, an islamist arm of Al Qaeda will have its very own country.

    There is no good outcome for Syria, none whatsoever.

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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    Yep. I don't really think we should get involved either. I just want to point out Anderson Cooper's statement though. Does anyone really expect anything to happen if Syria DOES launch chemical weapons though? Do we expect more than an airstrike?
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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    No, hell no. Not unless we want more dead ambassadors.
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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    Syria is part of the middle eastern problem and hence, I believe it cannot be resolved from the outside. Only from within the middle east. So any interference will end up being bad in the long run.


    I would like to express a theory i have.

    In Europe, 1848. For those who don't know, 1848 was the year where a lot of things happened in Europe. Probably the second greatest movement for liberty and equality in Europe. If back then there would have been a superpower that would have wanted to "intervene" in Europe and end the bloodshed that happened because people wanted the rights and status that they should have had because they are people... and bloodshed is a part of it. It is a part of it because it is change. Real change, not some wimpy politician promising it. And real change can only come from down up.

    Some change can be bad, like communism was. But that is because communist agitators were supported by people at the top where as in 1848 there was a real idealistic-made-manifest movement which produced its own leaders as opposed to them being there because they had the money to fund the agitators. Anyway, if a superpower would have intervened in Europe (its an academic exercise. there were no superpowers outside of Europe at that time) and ended the bloodshed, I doubt today these rights, and especially the right of voting and being represented and protesting and having taxes work for you and all those things... I doubt they would have been so heavily imprinted on us here in the western world as they are now. Because there wouldn't be that big a sacrifice that was made, initially, for them. Just like you put a down payment on a house. The bigger the down payment, the less you will have to pay in rates for the rest of the value of the house.

    So lets no intervene in Syria. Lets let this "arab spring" evolve. Maybe it will turn for the worse... as it has... maybe it will turn for the better. We don't know. They're a different people with a different culture and they have their own desires and future to look towards. interference will damage that.

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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    I thought the way Bush handled Afghanistan was good. We armed the rebels and gave them air cover. Then, we decided to stay - bad idea.

    In Syria, all we should do is sell the one product Made In America. Weapons! Guns! Bombs! Why would anybody hate us for that?

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    Re: Syria: Get Involved Or Not?

    We are not the world police and cant afford to be. Let the UN handle it and if they want help from us then we should honor our treaty obligations.
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