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Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

Is it racist to ask immigrants to speak English?


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Now you're just trying to be coy. Yes, better - It is BETTER that immigrants know English as opposed to NOT KNOWING English. ;)

It's a minor point. But depends on by what standard we call better. Many function rather well, some having entire communities.
 
Lots of people get by without ever learning to speak English very well. My wife's Grandmother is nearly 90 and has been in the US since the late 60's, but she avoids speaking the little English that she knows as much as possible. Her not knowing English has not, nor will it ever, affect you people in any way. Freedom's a bitch. Get over it.
 
Lots of people get by without ever learning to speak English very well. My wife's Grandmother is nearly 90 and has been in the US since the late 60's, but she avoids speaking the little English that she knows as much as possible. Her not knowing English has not, nor will it ever, affect you people in any way. Freedom's a bitch. Get over it.

Well Tucker to be honest so do allot of people when it comes to reading. Does not mean they should not learn how. No insult to your grandmother, just being clear. When my wife retires we are moving to South America. We already know will have to and have started to learn Spanish. We don't have to per say, but it is respectful to the people who already live there.
 
No. We are too concerned with being seen as racists. People...just say what you think.
 
I hear people talking about this subject all the time, and I'm just curious.

Is it racist to ask immigrants to speak English (or whatever language the country they immigrated to speaks) when in public places?

No - of course not.

If I MOVED to another country it's my job to learn THEIR language rather than continuously complicating every situation by refusing to do so and being so cocky that I expect them to struggle to understand or speak my native tongue.
 
Many African slaves didn't speak English, and neither did many of your ancestors that immigrated here from wherever. So no, its not racist, but its pretty arrogant to expect everyone to speak English when a very large majority of Americans don't speak a second language.
 
Many African slaves didn't speak English, and neither did many of your ancestors that immigrated here from wherever. So no, its not racist, but its pretty arrogant to expect everyone to speak English when a very large majority of Americans don't speak a second language.

Allot of us do. But when the forces that be seem to think Spanish should be our second language, my German is not much help now is it? I mean lets be honest here, we are talking about Spanish, period.

I am learning Spanish because I have to, not because I enjoy learning another lang.
 
Oh - and the obvious: Language isn't related to race.

What - only white people speak English?

Only black people speak Swahili?

That whole concept is ****ing retarded. It's not like your speech is related to the color or your puss puss
 
Well Tucker to be honest so do allot of people when it comes to reading. Does not mean they should not learn how.

What difference does it make if someone never wants to learn how to read? The only person it has any effect on is them. If they don't see learning how to read as beneficial, then why should they do it?




When my wife retires we are moving to South America. We already know will have to and have started to learn Spanish. We don't have to per say, but it is respectful to the people who already live there.

Good for you. You're making the choice to learn Spanish because you feel it is a sign of respect to the people who live in whatever country you are going to (I just hope it ain't Brazil, Suriname, or French Guiana or else you're learning Spanish for nothing). I'm sure it will also benefit you to know the native language far more than it shows them respect, though. But it's very altruistic of you to do it entirely for their sakes.
 
I am learning Spanish because I have to, not because I enjoy learning another lang.

You don't have to learn Spanish, BD, you choose to. Don't play the victim.

Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean it isn't your choice. You can choose to move to British Guyana, for example, where English will suit you fine or you can get more mileage out of your German by going to Suriname (because Dutch shares many linguistic properties with German).
 
Lots of people get by without ever learning to speak English very well. My wife's Grandmother is nearly 90 and has been in the US since the late 60's, but she avoids speaking the little English that she knows as much as possible. Her not knowing English has not, nor will it ever, affect you people in any way. Freedom's a bitch. Get over it.

Unless I'm making passionate love to her, and I hit my head on the wall and subsequently have a heart attack and she she needs to call an ambulance, and as she has trouble communicating with the person on the other end of the phone, I die.
 
What difference does it make if someone never wants to learn how to read? The only person it has any effect on is them. If they don't see learning how to read as beneficial, then why should they do it?

Because of problems it is causing in our society. I know people who are qualified for a job but you need to be bilingual or know Spanish. I mean in all honesty it is because of the catering by the government that is the real problem, not the people.

Good for you. You're making the choice to learn Spanish because you feel it is a sign of respect to the people who live in whatever country you are going to (I just hope it ain't Brazil, Suriname, or French Guiana or else you're learning Spanish for nothing). I'm sure it will also benefit you to know the native language far more than it shows them respect, though. But it's very altruistic of you to do it entirely for their sakes.

No need to pander or insult my intelligence.
 
You don't have to learn Spanish, BD, you choose to. Don't play the victim.

Who is playing the victim? What is your problem?

Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean it isn't your choice. You can choose to move to British Guyana, for example, where English will suit you fine or you can get more mileage out of your German by going to Suriname (because Dutch shares many linguistic properties with German).

Again don't insult my intelligence.
 
I know people who are qualified for a job but you need to be bilingual or know Spanish.

If they aren't bilingual and don't know Spanish, then they aren't qualified for a job where being bilingual and knowing Spanish are requirements.


No need to pander or insult my intelligence.

I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, BD. I'm sorry if you felt that I was. I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that it is a choice you are making for yourself, not something you have to do for others.
 
no ,they have to know how to communicate with you if they are in your country as an immigrant

l voted yes by mistake :(
 
Who is playing the victim? What is your problem?

When you say you have to do something when it's actually your choice to do something, you are playing the victim. I'm sorry if you don't like the fact that I am not *****footing around the issue, but it is what it is. .



Again don't insult my intelligence.

If you already know you are making a choice, then why do you keep saying "I have to learn Spanish"?

You see, in order for that to be an insult to your intelligence, you have to know it is true already. But you are using words which imply that you don't know that it is true already. If you are using words which imply that you don't already know that it is true, how can I possibly know that you already know it's true?
 
By teh way, BD, I'm not angry or anything, nor am I trying to insult you. I'm just being me, which is direct and honest.
 
By teh way, BD, I'm not angry or anything, nor am I trying to insult you. I'm just being me, which is direct and honest.

Translations on the internet are often that way.

The problem is some people come here and instead of wanting to be part of our society, they want to reap the befits give nothing back. Then they have the nerve to thumb there noses at our society and system. I know it is not a majority, at least I hope not, but far to many. I may be jaded because I grew up in Chicago, no matter as I have seen it. Then on top of that we have the government bending over backwards to help illegals etc while our own people get the shaft.

If you are going to live someplace, learn the language. Show at least a little respect for the country that took you in.
 
If they aren't bilingual and don't know Spanish, then they aren't qualified for a job where being bilingual and knowing Spanish are requirements.




I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, BD. I'm sorry if you felt that I was. I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that it is a choice you are making for yourself, not something you have to do for others.

If being "bilingual" in only English/Spanish is a "job requrement" in the USA then one must ask just why that is. Do we honestly wish to have that situation? Is it "fair" to exclude the other four "official" languages of the UN?

Official languages of the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
What difference does it make if someone never wants to learn how to read? The only person it has any effect on is them. If they don't see learning how to read as beneficial, then why should they do it?

I agree with this.

Which is why I can't stand people who basically would then suggest that becaues THAT person doesn't want to bother to learn to read we need to go out of our way to accomodate them and create a situation where they don't have any benefit to learning. Or more, those who attempt to suggest that by attacking, insulting, and degrading those who suggest that society as a whole needs to change to accomodate a handful of individuals who choose not to take the effort.
 
If they're speaking to you and you can't understand them and you're asking them such a thing, definitely not in terms of the action.

If they're just standing about talking and you interject to ask them such a thing, and it doesn't matter what language they're speaking, then it's not "racist" though I would probably say it's a bit xenophobic.

Now the method in which one says it in any circumstance could be racist. But I don't think the action itself is inherently a racist one
 
What difference does it make if someone never wants to learn how to read? The only person it has any effect on is them. If they don't see learning how to read as beneficial, then why should they do it?

That assumes one will not thus qualify for public assistance due to their lack of "income opportunity". Your ability to be happily unemployable ends where my obligation to support your lazy rear end, at the welfare office, begins. If we required a HS education (or GED) to get any public assistance then perhaps your argument would be valid, BTW that HS education includes proficiency in English.
 
I agree with this.

Which is why I can't stand people who basically would then suggest that because THAT person doesn't want to bother to learn to read we need to go out of our way to accommodate them and create a situation where they don't have any benefit to learning. Or more, those who attempt to suggest that by attacking, insulting, and degrading those who suggest that society as a whole needs to change to accommodate a handful of individuals who choose not to take the effort.

Repeated for truth. Wish I could have said it so well.
 
Translations on the internet are often that way.

The problem is some people come here and instead of wanting to be part of our society, they want to reap the befits give nothing back. Then they have the nerve to thumb there noses at our society and system. I know it is not a majority, at least I hope not, but far to many.

Reap the benefits but never give anything back!?!?

Let me tell you about my wife's grandmother. A middle-aged Sicilian woman of the old school who came here with her husband and children in the 60's because her husband needed work to feed that family, only to have her husband get killed by a drunk driver less than a year later when he was riding his bicycle home from his factory job, thus leaving their 19 year old son (who only has a grade school education) as the family's main breadwinner. Back in Sicily, she was not given an education of outside of "traditional female household tasks" because women didn't get educations in those days.

Her American dream was destroyed by the careless act of a man who never even spent one day in jail for his crimes because he had political connections in Chicago. But she stayed here, not for herself, but for her children's sake. For her future grandchildren. She didn't learn English. Instead, she turned toward people from her own culture who could help her out. Her oldest son, my father-in law, became the patriarch of the family, helping to put his two younger brothers (who were only in grade school at this time) through college.

Now fast forward 40 or so years. The 19-year old with only a grade school education just retired this year after putting in 40+ years as an electrician, and being given a huge retirement bonus from his company because, as they put it, "You made us a lot of money over the years. We hate to see you go."

His younger brothers went on to become a vice president at a major bank and a very successful broker, both of whom easily qualify as being "1 percenters". They probably pay more in taxes than 50 average Americans combined.

Yet here she is, an elderly immigrant who barely speaks English even after 40+ years in this country. I guess because she never really assimilated herself, she didn't give back, though, right?

I may be jaded because I grew up in Chicago, no matter as I have seen it.

You grew up in Chicago outside of the immigrant culture. Whereas I grew up in Chicago inside of the immigrant culture. I know the stories of why these immigrants came here. I know the stories of what they have dealt with while they were here. I know their struggles, I know their woes. I know what they came here with (rarely more than a work ethic and some hope), and more importantly, what they didn't come here with (Things that we often take for granted, like a 9th grade education).

These aren't retirees who come here with money and resources. They are people who have to struggle for everything they get in life. They usually don't do it for themselves. Instead they do it for their families, either back home or here or even the ones they hope to one day have. My father used to say to me, "I could have stayed back home and went on the dole like other people did, but where would that have left ye?"

He didn't have to come here, of course. He made a choice. But it's not an easy choice, nor is it an easy road. It requires hard work and determination. They have to leave their family behind without knowing when or if they will ever see them, or in some cases like my father's, speak to them, again (my father's money that he sent back paid for his parents' first phone). They often start off with nothing, literally nothing, because all of the money they had was spent getting here in the first place.

My father came out here utterly alone and broke. If it wasn't for the Irish community, he'd have certainly failed, because no Americans were willing to hire this uneducated Mick who could sheer a sheep in no time, but didn't have much in the way of non-farm skills. He had a keen mind, a hell of a work ethic, and a very strong back, though. So, through the Irish community, he got connected with some Italians who were working in the concrete business and pretty much needed a mule to haul the concrete forms around 12 hours a day, 7 days a week. He was lucky he was Irish, cause he definitely didn't have time to learn English. He did pick up some Italian during that time on the job, though. And he also learned the concrete trade (which was far more important than learning English at that point).

In his spare time he went out with some of the other Irish guys he knew on side jobs as often as he could, learning plumbing, carpentry, masonry... useful things that would get him more work.

Like I said, he's lucky he was Irish. If he was from a country that didn't speak English, he'd have had an even tougher time than he did.

Then on top of that we have the government bending over backwards to help illegals etc while our own people get the shaft.

Our government does not bend over backwards to help immigrants of any stripe. I'm not sure where this myth came from, but ask any immigrant whether or not the US government has been helpful to them and I'd be shocked if anyone but the political refugees says yes.

If you are going to live someplace, learn the language. Show at least a little respect for the country that took you in.

That's the problem. People seem to think they do something for these immigrants, when we in truth we show them no respect and expect them to suck our balls in return for allowing them to sully our lives with their very presence. We put forth no effort to understand their situation, we simply assume that we've made it great for them and that they owe us something. They don't owe us ****. We're a better country for them being here. They, and those like them who have come here throughout time, are why America became great in the first place.
 
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