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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    IMO a person that can't speak English you should not be able to vote, drive, or own property.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Ten years ago the Hispanic mortality rate on construction sites was obscene. Too many workers said, "Si, hablo ingles" when they actually didn't. Construction companies have responded by providing bilingual safety training (and at the same time requiring project superintendants to speak limited workplace Spanish), and now numbers are down.

    I often shop by choice at an ethnically diverse grocery store where I'm frequently the only Anglo, and what disturbs me is the number of shoppers who are clearly not bilingual. At all. No problema with the abuelitas, but the young moms don't speak English, and the kids aren't just speaking Spanish because it's the "home language" either. I've seen kids go through the entire K-12th grade system in bilingual classes and still not speak enough English to function in the workplace.

    Conversely, I know folks from the People's Republic of China who speak nearly flawless English. People from the Congo whose first language is French who manage to get by. Why?
    I don't know, but it can't be good for anyone. This could be why a lot of immigrants remain in poverty.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Ten years ago the Hispanic mortality rate on construction sites was obscene. Too many workers said, "Si, hablo ingles" when they actually didn't. Construction companies have responded by providing bilingual safety training (and at the same time requiring project superintendants to speak limited workplace Spanish), and now numbers are down.

    I often shop by choice at an ethnically diverse grocery store where I'm frequently the only Anglo, and what disturbs me is the number of shoppers who are clearly not bilingual. At all. No problema with the abuelitas, but the young moms don't speak English, and the kids aren't just speaking Spanish because it's the "home language" either. I've seen kids go through the entire K-12th grade system in bilingual classes and still not speak enough English to function in the workplace.

    Conversely, I know folks from the People's Republic of China who speak nearly flawless English. People from the Congo whose first language is French who manage to get by. Why?
    A lot of those from other nations who come here, at least where they have to travel by plane, are likely more educated, than people who ran/sneak/whatever across a border.
    The probably explains a lot of that.
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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know, but it can't be good for anyone. This could be why a lot of immigrants remain in poverty.
    Only certain groups...and that's part of my point.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    They're scared, intimidated, overwhelmed with other worries and learning the native language just isn't a high priority at first. If I were to rely on my Spanish to even ask for food I'd starve. I'm not saying it isn't a smart thing to learn only that poor immigrants aren't usually real educated.
    Right, and we should change that. IMO, if we are going to have immigrants in the country, they need to be able to get by on their own, and learning the language is one step in the right direction. Classes in English should be mandatory for those waiting for citizenship (which takes YEARS, so there is plenty of time). It only makes sense to me.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    We are taught as children, we are required to learn form Grade 4 - Grade 9 after that it is optional. if you want to be in government you need to be bilingual, for example since I want to be in the page program in the first year of university I have be fluent in both languages since you are working with both languages. The bilingualism that dates back to even before Canada was a country, rebellions things like that over language. Then in the modern era Quebec has the influence to do it since Quebeckers get very mad and protest if their language or culture is threatened and it's half the reason Quebec is not part of the Canadian constitution and has their own. It's all politics and nothing bad has ever happened. There are francophones like Prime Minster Trudeau that speak English perfectly(he also made the country bilingual):
    Well, what about my example on a construction job site? What if only a couple of people are bilingual and the rest speak either one or the other language? How would you solve that conflict?

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of those from other nations who come here, at least where they have to travel by plane, are likely more educated, than people who ran/sneak/whatever across a border.
    The probably explains a lot of that.
    I agree. It's probably mostly illegal immigrants who can't speak a lick of English.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, what about my example on a construction job site? What if only a couple of people are bilingual and the rest speak either one or the other language? How would you solve that conflict?
    Generally English speaking companies don't hire French speakers and French companies don't hire English speakers so they segregate themselves and prevent this issue.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree. It's probably mostly illegal immigrants who can't speak a lick of English.
    I think it sucks to, because a lot of my work friends are former illegals who do speak excellent English and are generally, respectable upstanding citizens.

    The people who don't learn it, give the rest a bad image.
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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A lot of those from other nations who come here, at least where they have to travel by plane, are likely more educated, than people who ran/sneak/whatever across a border.
    The probably explains a lot of that.
    Yes, in the case of the Vietnamese, many immigrants were doctors, newspaper editors, and military officers. Not necessarily so, however, of visa-students from the People's Republic of China.

    Although I think this is basically unconscious, there is an underlying arrogance in many Americans' "inability" to learn other languages. We don't "have" to, and so we don't. Chalk it up to fear or whatever explanation that can be offered for the utter resistance to learn English, the fact is that there are many, many Hispanics who are unwilling, not unable, to step outside their comfort zones.

    I'm talking about early 20-somethings who either speak Spanish or refuse to speak at all, and I see this every time I shop at this store. No reason to have your 4-year old translating for you. Turn off the Telemundo novellas and try. I mean, I've known women from Middle Eastern countries who met their spouses once before marrying, flew to Chicago or wherever, and learned English by sitting at McDonald's and listening and by watching American soaps. And they do just fine.

    Why not these grocery-store mommies?

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