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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    Don't you have language proficiency already? here you have be proficient in either English or French.
    I'm not sure, and if so I'm not sure how seriously it's taken.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Just imagine being on a construction site, and somebody drops a hammer from 20 feet above and says "look out below!" but the non-English speaker doesn't understand and gets clocked in the head. In a lot of jobs, good communication is imperative for safety and other reasons.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    If I were uneducated and to suddenly move to any other country but live in an area of english speaking people, it would probably take me quite awhile to catch on to the national language. You've got to put yourself in other peoples shoes. Trying to survive on a daily basis usually trumps, "did I offend anyone with my poor communication skills today?" Given time most people will eventually pick up enough of a native language to get by but for some of us, especially older ones it don't come quick.
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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Racist? No.

    Impolite? Possibly. Depending on the situation.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Just imagine being on a construction site, and somebody drops a hammer from 20 feet above and says "look out below!" but the non-English speaker doesn't understand and gets clocked in the head. In a lot of jobs, good communication is imperative for safety and other reasons.
    By the same logic we shouldn't have two official languages either then.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If I were uneducated and to suddenly move to any other country but live in an area of english speaking people, it would probably take me quite awhile to catch on to the national language. You've got to put yourself in other peoples shoes. Trying to survive on a daily basis usually trumps, "did I offend anyone with my poor communication skills today?" Given time most people will eventually pick up enough of a native language to get by but for some of us, especially older ones it don't come quick.
    Well, I know there are plenty of resources (even free) where immigrants can learn English. I looked it up, and says that you need to be able to write, read and speak simple English (I would only expect for them to be able to speak the language), but that SOME exceptions are made. It seems like a lot more than "some" though, at least in my area.

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    By the same logic we shouldn't have two official languages either then.
    It must make things confusing at times for some people who don't speak both languages. I'm sure that even if learned in school as children, if not used frequently, most people are going to forget how to communicate in one of the languages. I just don't see how things can work smoothly with more than one official language, but I don't live in Canada, so

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Just imagine being on a construction site, and somebody drops a hammer from 20 feet above and says "look out below!" but the non-English speaker doesn't understand and gets clocked in the head. In a lot of jobs, good communication is imperative for safety and other reasons.
    Ten years ago the Hispanic mortality rate on construction sites was obscene. Too many workers said, "Si, hablo ingles" when they actually didn't. Construction companies have responded by providing bilingual safety training (and at the same time requiring project superintendants to speak limited workplace Spanish), and now numbers are down.

    I often shop by choice at an ethnically diverse grocery store where I'm frequently the only Anglo, and what disturbs me is the number of shoppers who are clearly not bilingual. At all. No problema with the abuelitas, but the young moms don't speak English, and the kids aren't just speaking Spanish because it's the "home language" either. I've seen kids go through the entire K-12th grade system in bilingual classes and still not speak enough English to function in the workplace.

    Conversely, I know folks from the People's Republic of China who speak nearly flawless English. People from the Congo whose first language is French who manage to get by. Why?

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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I know there are plenty of resources (even free) where immigrants can learn English. I looked it up, and says that you need to be able to write, read and speak simple English (I would only expect for them to be able to speak the language), but that SOME exceptions are made. It seems like a lot more than "some" though, at least in my area.
    They're scared, intimidated, overwhelmed with other worries and learning the native language just isn't a high priority at first. If I were to rely on my Spanish to even ask for food I'd starve. I'm not saying it isn't a smart thing to learn only that poor immigrants aren't usually real educated.
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    Re: Is it racist to ask for immigrants to speak English?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It must make things confusing at times for some people who don't speak both languages. I'm sure that even if learned in school as children, if not used frequently, most people are going to forget how to communicate in one of the languages. I just don't see how things can work smoothly with more than one official language, but I don't live in Canada, so
    We are taught as children, we are required to learn form Grade 4 - Grade 9 after that it is optional. if you want to be in government you need to be bilingual, for example since I want to be in the page program in the first year of university I have be fluent in both languages since you are working with both languages. The bilingualism that dates back to even before Canada was a country, rebellions things like that over language. Then in the modern era Quebec has the influence to do it since Quebeckers get very mad and protest if their language or culture is threatened and it's half the reason Quebec is not part of the Canadian constitution and has their own. It's all politics and nothing bad has ever happened. There are francophones like Prime Minster Trudeau that speak English perfectly(he also made the country bilingual):

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