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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    How exactly is Obama going to remove my biceps?
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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The NRA is not a pro second amendment group, they lobby for CCW permits (and other "infringemets") because they (their members) get money from them. For example, the Texas CCW permit law requires that one first complete a "NRA" CCW course (for about $100) to "qualify" to spend $140 more to simply apply for a state issued CCW permit.
    Part of the problem with extreme views is it fails to see fellow travelers unless they are as extreme as hardcore members. The NRA is pro 2nd amendment, but is run by a cabal of political hacks, lobbyists and lawyers... none of which most 'conservatives' care for unless of course they are doing 'conservative' bidding.

    I can see your disagreement with fees for CCWs and the like. However many less extreme citizens see the need for at least a minimum of training, and it is the very least you can do and still call it training, before sanctifying concealed carry. Training cost money, from rental of the class space to the handouts, presentations, time of the trainers, range safety officers, the range itself...

    Some see it as an infringement, some assurance the continuation of the Right to Bear Arms is successful and safe for all concerned.

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    yes!!!!! all marxists want citizens to be unarmed it how they can control people so obviously obama wants to take away peoples guns

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Part of the problem with extreme views is it fails to see fellow travelers unless they are as extreme as hardcore members. The NRA is pro 2nd amendment, but is run by a cabal of political hacks, lobbyists and lawyers... none of which most 'conservatives' care for unless of course they are doing 'conservative' bidding.

    I can see your disagreement with fees for CCWs and the like. However many less extreme citizens see the need for at least a minimum of training, and it is the very least you can do and still call it training, before sanctifying concealed carry. Training cost money, from rental of the class space to the handouts, presentations, time of the trainers, range safety officers, the range itself...

    Some see it as an infringement, some assurance the continuation of the Right to Bear Arms is successful and safe for all concerned.
    Using your logic, which is sound, then it would seem that the training (preferably public education) should precede the legal purchase/posession of firearms, rather than attempt to allow nearly all to legally purchase/posess firearms but be subjected to later arrest/firearm confiscation while actually carrying/using them. I still see a distinct difference between having to "qualify" for a right to keep/bear arms, yet not having to "qualify" for a right to vote or to have an attorney present during police questioning/trial. Once the state/city may set "standards" (and require fees) or "conditions" for a citizen to get/keep their Constitutional rights then they become mere privileges, rather than rights.
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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    I DO NOT believe he will. don't know if he wants to. Now...whether he COULD or not...

    Tyranny is NEVER the singular act of an individual. Do the people that were decrying Bush's assault on their civil liberties REALLY believe Bush was responsible for the Patriot Act, wireless wiretaps, etc? SHOULD it occur that ANY president decide they would attempt such an undertaking they would HAVE to have the Supreme Court on their side...not congress (though a few fully supportive allies in Congress would help). A president could issue executive orders backed by a court ruling. Now. whether or not they would have the third cog in place would be telling. The third cog would be the enforcement arm. SOMEONE would have to be willing to TAKE those arms...by force where necessary.

    No...I don't think Obama WILL. Could he? Depends on several factors.

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Using your logic, which is sound, then it would seem that the training (preferably public education) should precede the legal purchase/posession of firearms, rather than attempt to allow nearly all to legally purchase/posess firearms but be subjected to later arrest/firearm confiscation while actually carrying/using them. I still see a distinct difference between having to "qualify" for a right to keep/bear arms, yet not having to "qualify" for a right to vote or to have an attorney present during police questioning/trial. Once the state/city may set "standards" (and require fees) or "conditions" for a citizen to get/keep their Constitutional rights then they become mere privileges, rather than rights.
    To carry my logic to an EXTREME would be as you say. Again the difference between extreme and mainstream is on parade. Democracy thrives where reasoned men (and women) agree on practical paths forward.

    I don't agree on 'fingerprinting' every weapon sold to the general public. I don't agree with keeping records on weapon purchases, do on back round checks done by businesses, to include anyone selling at a gun show. You selling to me as a strictly private sale- no.

    I have no problem with a private range requiring some sort of qualification to use their ranges. A homeowner asking for some sort of pedigree before a room mate brings a weapon into the house.

    And I believe the gubmint as the general population's representative should require some sort of certification before the CCW uses 'our' public spaces- remember public spaces belong to the group not an individual- and your constitutional rights end at my law abiding nose.

    A bullet doesn't make that distinction.

    I don't believe in punishing before the fact, I don't see requiring some training as punishment, merely helping make the program a success.

    Punishing would be not allowing any Concealed Carry because someone MIGHT shoot an bystander rather than the bad guy. The training program is a compromise.

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    It would be a very good thing if your President took away your silly popguns, but I fear that the Merchants of Death are almost as powerful as AIPAC amongst your various masters.

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaIsAMarxist View Post
    yes!!!!! all marxists want citizens to be unarmed it how they can control people so obviously obama wants to take away peoples guns
    It's clear that your are already being controled. So exactly how often do you use your gun to keep yourself from being controled? And, if it get worse, i.e. you suffer more control, how do you plan to use your guns?

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Obama may want to ban certain guns such as any CW's but he would need COTUS to get a bill passed and then he would have to sign it.

    With the NRA in firm control of the RNP and many conservative Dems that is an almost impossible task. The only way this would happen is a national outrage or tragedy of a monumental scale. Then he MIGHT be able to ride the wave and get something passed.

    As I have said before, It is a logistical impossibility to "BAN" or confiscated weapons in peoples homes. Even if we stopped producing all guns today and ammunition and not counting the black market in guns, there would be plenty of guns around in homes and elsewhere for a very long time. (example - My 20 gauge was over 20 years old when I sold it and my 22 was a hell of alot older).

    My brother has my grandfathers 12 gauge which he made in 1921 and it still works fine
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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    I WOULD dearly love to see him demonstrate a successful model for gun control against criminals and people that get guns through illegal means. Hell...he wouldn't even have to create new laws to do that...just work with the existing governments and enforce existing law. Heck...he could start in good ol sweet home....Chicago.

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