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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Yeah, I think Obama's administration has tried to play both sides in a way, it's sort of frustrating.
    short term he did not take obvious steps to submit his party to the blood bath it took in 1994 when it lost both houses mainly due to the clinton gun ban or 2000 when Al Gore's adoption of anti gun idiocy probably cost him his home state and thus the election. In the long run Obama has done plenty that is anti gun including choosing two anti gun justices and his support (the level of which is hard to determine) of the fast and furious scheme which was designed to "manufacture" evidence useful to restrict our gun rights as well as appointing a guy as AG who was a huge supporter of the unconstitutional DC gun ban

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    short term he did not take obvious steps to submit his party to the blood bath it took in 1994 when it lost both houses mainly due to the clinton gun ban or 2000 when Al Gore's adoption of anti gun idiocy probably cost him his home state and thus the election. In the long run Obama has done plenty that is anti gun including choosing two anti gun justices and his support (the level of which is hard to determine) of the fast and furious scheme which was designed to "manufacture" evidence useful to restrict our gun rights as well as appointing a guy as AG who was a huge supporter of the unconstitutional DC gun ban
    Makes sense.

    I would respond with what I really think but I don't wanna start somethin'.


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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Voltron Is awesome.l

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

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    Voltron Is awesome.l
    I was temped to go with Voltron. Good choice.

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Makes sense.

    I would respond with what I really think but I don't wanna start somethin'.
    please do, I'd love to hear your take on Obama's gun position

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I was temped to go with Voltron. Good choice.
    Back when I was a kid in South Africa, Voltron was one of the only shows for kids on TV.

    Use to rush home from school everyday to watch it.

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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Clearly Thundercats.
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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    I am not sure what my answer would be. But I am curious. What is the small arms treaty? Is that a real threat or not?
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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    please do, I'd love to hear your take on Obama's gun position
    Sorry for the length:

    I might have said this before recently, but I think strict adherence to the Constitution is overrated. I know that sounds horrible, but I just think times were different in the 18th century to the point that laws that might have made perfect sense then don't make sense now. The "right to bear arms" doesn't really have the same the implications it used to.

    Consider several things:
    1. the type of arms available then compared to now (you couldn't exactly massacre a theater full of people with a flintlock musket)
    2. the US was a smaller, less diverse, and a more vulnerable country back then
    3. guns were not as widely produced as they are now
    4. the amount of massacres and shootings that occur these days compared to back then

    All those things carry a lot of weight in this debate. This doesn't mean we need to have an all out ban on all guns, and at the end of the day it's about the person holding the gun rather than the gun itself. Plus, I can see why people like guns and I definitely agree with the need for some sort of defense at home, for defense against tyranny, or for when the apocalypse hits. However, why do we realistically need military grade equipment for civilian use? Assault weapons? Stuff that is intended more for insurgency rather than personal defense? Why allow the craziest folks access to this stuff? We can either increase control on more powerful guns or take steps to improve education and stuff to prevent this from happening in the first place, but only one of those things is realistic in the short-term. Only one of those things can really prevent shootings and pointless deaths now.

    So, here is where I disagree with Obama (I think), because I'm not entirely sure where he would draw the line on gun control. You'd think Obama's admin wants all guns banned all the time (which I disagree with), but it's tough to interpret that considering his actions as president. Going back to what you said, I'm not entirely sure where the SCOTUS would draw the line either. So as frustrating as the POTUS' stance on guns has been for pro-gun folks, it's been similarly frustrating to people like me to. I just don't know what to think about this sometimes, but it's worth at least doing something rather than doing nothing.


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    Re: Obama will take your guns away

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    2nd amendment proponents are worried about the politicians who could care less what the Constitution says, not the dumb people who don't understand the constitution.
    And any such law would violate 200 years of precedent. Not going to happen.
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