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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, in all fairness if you see a situation developing early enough to call 911 and get the police out there BEFORE the critical moment arrives, the cell phone works well enough... the problem of course is that it doesn't always work that way.


    When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away... maybe... if yer lucky....
    I'm thinking more of a scenario where I am confronted by a *violent* criminal (*emphasis on the word violent). But yes, if there was time to make a call, I would do it, but I would also like to have a weapon to defend myself against the attacker because more than likely the police would not arrive in time to save my sorry butt!

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Rather a silly choice of options. You cannot call for help on cell phone and get a response timely enough to stop a violent attack. Knowing the police are responding might get a few to run away, but really, what are the average response times to a particular location? At my homes locations, that would be about an hour or two.

    Of course a revolver (gun) is not always the answer either. If you produce a revolver and aim it at someone, it is only a credible threat if the attack believes you would actually use it and you demonstrate enough courage and proficiency to be effective with it.
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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Probably big scary dogs, truth be told. Criminals do not like big dogs.

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Rather a silly choice of options. You cannot call for help on cell phone and get a response timely enough to stop a violent attack. Knowing the police are responding might get a few to run away, but really, what are the average response times to a particular location? At my homes locations, that would be about an hour or two.

    Of course a revolver (gun) is not always the answer either. If you produce a revolver and aim it at someone, it is only a credible threat if the attack believes you would actually use it and you demonstrate enough courage and proficiency to be effective with it.
    So... A or B?

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Probably big scary dogs, truth be told. Criminals do not like big dogs.
    So... A or B?

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    So... A or B?
    The fear of B waiting on the other side of the door.

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Probably big scary dogs, truth be told. Criminals do not like big dogs.
    That's true. A DA we know said she has never had a case where a woman was assaulted in any way by a stranger when she had a dog with her - any size dog. It goes against "crime of opportunity." Pick someone easier.

    We used to have a real problem with tresspassers coming uninvited and for not good reasons on our property. They knew we certainly could defend ourselves, but using violence against someone who is being obnoxious and refusing to leave is a hassle, even waiting for police etc. The solution was 2 big, very unfriendly dogs. Part pit. Black. Wide jaws. VERY protective of their space. Big warnings. Double fence and gate. Can't argue with them. And really don't like tresspassers.

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm thinking more of a scenario where I am confronted by a *violent* criminal (*emphasis on the word violent). But yes, if there was time to make a call, I would do it, but I would also like to have a weapon to defend myself against the attacker because more than likely the police would not arrive in time to save my sorry butt!
    The problem is a "violent criminal" rarely pre-announces intent in public - shouting while approaching "I'm going to assault you!"

    That is the most complex question in training someone (women). When to draw. What to say. When to aim. When to shoot. At someone who MIGHT be dangerous approaching. In most states, threatening someone with a gun is a felony UNTIL (generally) you had a legal right to shoot.

    Florida has an insane law that a "warning shoot" is a MINIMUM of 20 years, even if to legitimately scare someone off, and probably more of a sentence if you just shot the person - where shooting the person to death would be legal but its 20 years if instead you just fired a warning shot.

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That's true. A DA we know said she has never had a case where a woman was assaulted in any way by a stranger when she had a dog with her - any size dog. It goes against "crime of opportunity." Pick someone easier.

    We used to have a real problem with tresspassers coming uninvited and for not good reasons on our property. They knew we certainly could defend ourselves, but using violence against someone who is being obnoxious and refusing to leave is a hassle, even waiting for police etc. The solution was 2 big, very unfriendly dogs. Part pit. Black. Wide jaws. VERY protective of their space. Big warnings. Double fence and gate. Can't argue with them. And really don't like tresspassers.
    A cop told me a funny story where they chased some guys into a thicket one night and had them surrounded and they refused to come out and they did not want to go into the briars to get them. They made it sound like they were bringing in the dogs and had a couple officers who were good at it start barking like crazy and shaking limbs, rustling leaves and the guys they were chasing came shooting out of the bushes screaming for them to keep the dogs away from them.

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    Re: What do you suppose has stopped more violent crime?

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    So... A or B?
    Neither. They are both inanimate object incapable of acting on their own. Also, you limited to only a revolver instead of all fire arms.

    People is the only correct answer. However, I do think that the revolver, actually fire arms in general, is a more useful tool in the prevention of violent crime, since when you use a cell phone, it is to call someone who has a fire arm to help you.

    Also, since the revolver allows you to take immediate action, while a cell phone requires you to wait until someone else arrives, of course the revolver is better for stopping violent crime, unless of course you are unwilling or unable to use the revolver.

    The core of your questions is whether taking action yourself or calling for someone to take action on your part works better. Generally, taking action yourself is the better choice.

    Statistics which I have posted on this forum before, clearly shows that the advent of violent crime was much lower when almost everyone in America had a gun and could use it. Since the revolver was the primary handgun during that time, the revolver wins.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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