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Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

Which one is it?


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Come on, you know the atheists can't stand the word Christmas. Same with crosses and any type of religious symbolism, etc.
I don't guess you know too many atheists, then.

So there may well be no meaning at all where you assume there must be one.

What? There aren't groups out there who take it upon themselves to make phone calls, send e-mails and perhaps even write letters to complaint about such public displays? You must come out from under that rock! :lol:
You must mean public displays that are illegal. People often report the fact when they see a crime in progress.

Now that's just douchy. Really. Celebrate your Winter Soltice, but there is absolutely no need to denigrate others while you do it. Scrooge.
Sorry. You want your display, you have to take theirs with it. If you don't like the rules, go find some nice private property to play on. None of the rules apply there. You can do whatever you like.
 
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I don't guess you know too many atheists, then.


So there may well be no meaning at all where you assume there must be one.


You must mean public displays that are illegal. People often report the fact when they see a crime in progress.


Sorry. You want your display, you have to take theirs with it. If you don't like the rules, go find some nice private property. None of the rules apply there. You can do whatever you like.

Most of your post above is pretty much meaningless, so I'll just concentrate on the last paragraph.

I can tolerate and even enjoy other's holiday displays. Unfortunately, I also have tolerate all the douchebags too who apparently must belittle others in order to make themselves feel good. :shrug: Sounds like a personal problem.
 
I can tolerate and even enjoy other's holiday displays. Unfortunately, I also have tolerate all the douchebags too who apparently must belittle others in order to make themselves feel good. :shrug: Sounds like a personal problem.
As far as I can tell, the sign is merely a brief seasonal summary of atheistic understandings and some reasons for joining them. No worse than some Christmas carols when you think about it.
 
As far as I can tell, the sign is merely a brief seasonal summary of atheistic understandings and some reasons for joining them. No worse than some Christmas carols when you think about it.

That's bull and you know it. That sign was created and placed where it was for the purposes of being snarky.
 
LOL! Depends on what they are doing, obviosuly. In this case, they seem to be pointing out quite correctly that government at all levels is prohibited from acting through any of its auspices so as to appear to be favoring any one religion over another or religion over non-religion. You can't put the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. You can't put a manger scene on the City Hall lawn. You can designate an area where citizens of all faiths and none can express their views, but you have to understand that all of them might try to do that. If you establish a lottery for display plots somewhere and atheists win 18 of the 20 drawings, that's too bad. No do-overs on that account.
The way they try to make their point is disrespectful. It's that condescending attitude, that all lefties embrace, that pisses everyone else off. It's not enough to just petition a removal; you people have to spawn stunted spirits like that mysogynist ape, Bill Maher, to put some stank on it!

Political Correctness is a tool. It's an instrument of hypocrisy the Left uses to try and keep everyone else in line. Your stupid comparison to common courtesy has nothing to do with political correctness. As I said before: PC deals with race, gender and it also has to do with ensuring non-conservatives getting the upper hand. Common courtesy is pure and simple. Mutual respect. That's it.
 
Come on, you know the atheists can't stand the word Christmas. Same with crosses and any type of religious symbolism, etc.

I've been known to burst into flames when people say Christmas around me.
 
How about if they type it? :lol:

That too. As an atheist I can't stand Christmas or any religious symbols and must try to belittle other people in order to prevent my spontaneous combustion around religious expression.
 
That too. As an atheist I can't stand Christmas or any religious symbols and must try to belittle other people in order to prevent my spontaneous combustion around religious expression.

Oh well, Merry Christ . . . I mean Happy Holidays! :mrgreen:
 
Oh well, Merry Christ . . . I mean Happy Holidays! :mrgreen:

Nope, that's too close. As an atheist I cannot let it stand.
 
Oh well, Merry Christ . . . I mean Happy Holidays! :mrgreen:

Ow my foot! ;)

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I don't understand how that's allowed. I mean with atheists around, someone should really be out belittling people until it gets taken down.

:lamo Sure they should. Tell them to bring it on!
 
:lamo Sure they should. Tell them to bring it on!

Well there's no choice. Atheists cannot stand being around religious symbols or words. Where's that at? I'm going to there and start belittling people myself before more atheists catch fire due to these reckless displays.
 
I don't understand how that's allowed. I mean with atheists around, someone should really be out belittling people until it gets taken down.
Calling Bill Maher!!!
 
Who really cares what it is called???

We have much more important issues to deal with.
 
That's bull and you know it. That sign was created and placed where it was for the purposes of being snarky.
How is it any more snarky than a manger scene? Here is the text...

"At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

This is a general statement of what atheists tend to believe. Why would those beliefs be snarky while statements of belief in sky gods and virgin births would not?

Meanwhile the sign is a holiday tradition. This is the 17th year one has stood during December in the Wisconsin State Capitol rotunda for example.
 
The way they try to make their point is disrespectful. It's that condescending attitude, that all lefties embrace, that pisses everyone else off. It's not enough to just petition a removal; you people have to spawn stunted spirits like that mysogynist ape, Bill Maher, to put some stank on it!
LOL! Ever mired in the abyss of pop-culture. Bill Maher is an entertainer whose job is to draw ratings. He isn't trained as any sort of expert on any of the topics discussed on his show. As for condescension, the right-wing has more than earned what little they get.

Political Correctness is a tool. It's an instrument of hypocrisy the Left uses to try and keep everyone else in line. Your stupid comparison to common courtesy has nothing to do with political correctness. As I said before: PC deals with race, gender and it also has to do with ensuring non-conservatives getting the upper hand. Common courtesy is pure and simple. Mutual respect. That's it.
Well, that's quite a paranoid delusion on your part, but you can certainly believe such things if you like. Meanwhile, and as any serious source would confirm, political correctness can fairly be viewed as a harm-reduction initiative, one that was and still is needed in the face of the wanton abuse and debasement of some parts of our population by others. Some of that latter group are of course by now a lost cause. They were raised to value hatred and disrespect and they aren't about to be diverted from it now. But we can use them as negative examples in showing the next generation how truly ugly a state of bigotry can be. In that way, they too may serve in advancing our pursuit of a more just and inclusive society.
 
Who really cares what it is called??? We have much more important issues to deal with.
Yes, we do. But Bill O'Reilly has now budgeted the bunch of revenue he nets each year from claiming that somebody has once again declared war on Christmas, so people who don't actually go to church and don't actually follow Christ's teachings get all bent out of shape every December and start or push threads like this one.
 
so people who don't actually go to church and don't actually follow Christ's teachings get all bent out of shape every December and start or push threads like this one.

Quoted for truth. Hard to deny that most of my fellow Christians are rank hypocrites, and the bad rep that Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular is hard to live down. However, fairness is necessary on both sides to have a reasonable discussion, and the implication that all religious people have hardened hearts and enslaved minds is grossly unfair and pointlessly divisive.

Christianity can soften hearts and free minds in a way that "humanism" and atheism simply cannot. I have met any number of ****ty "religious" people, but the only truly great people I know fully believe in God and are humble as a result.
 
Quoted for truth. Hard to deny that most of my fellow Christians are rank hypocrites, and the bad rep that Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular is hard to live down. However, fairness is necessary on both sides to have a reasonable discussion, and the implication that all religious people have hardened hearts and enslaved minds is grossly unfair and pointlessly divisive.
Yes, many Chrsitians are tarnished unfairly by the behavior of entirely too many others. I have sometimes used "Xtian" to distinguish the problem children from the perfectly reasonable people who happen to be Christian. Whether or not that's a good way to make it, such a distinction clearly exists.

Meanwhile, I doubt that the soltice sign means to point to any religion in particular, but rather, since they reject all of them, to the generality of all religious effect observable anywhere in the world.

Humility of course is something that almost everyone will claim to have, and almost everyone will be right. The problem tends to arise in the consistency with which this humility is expressed and displayed. Almost everyone has gaps in performance. Some more than others. But I doubt that humility is really different from any other aspect of morality, and religion is neither necessary nor sufficient to that.
 
The amendment itself is very general. The rules for how the generalities apply in specific situations have to come from someplace else. Any ideas for where to look?

Are you really going to try to run away from clear language by telling me to look somewhere else? Oh right, the language is just "very general" lol..
 
Sounds like to me that some people are getting upset over a technicality that allows Christmas tree's to be put in public buildings. The catch is that we assume that a Holiday Tree represents all religious faiths. That way we can still call it a a Christmas tree even though it was officially a holiday tree. Another religion could call it whatever they want since a conifer tree being decorated during the beginning of winter can be shown to be of non-christian origin. A Christmas tree or whatever you want to call it. Many traditions migrate to other areas but no longer retain the original meanings.

I still do not see why any of this matters. Just name a tree how you want. I am a Atheist and it has never bothered me that a Christmas tree is names Christmas tree. Christmas however celebrated is a old American tradition. Some people put a lot of religious ideas behind the holiday season but then a lot do not.
 
Try calling it a Christmas tree rather than a Holiday tree and see if its still for sale. People can be so ridiculous.
 
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