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Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

Which one is it?


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Which one is it?

I could care less what people call their tree or say during the holidays. I am an atheist and I absolutely love this time of year. I love saying "merry christmas" and decorating trees and putting lights on my house. And dont care what anybody else thinks about the matter. If it offends somebody too ****ing bad. Ho Ho Ho, merry christmas! :2razz::)
 
As far as I'm concerned, it's a Christmas Tree, and anyone who finds the term offensive or prefers to call it a "Holiday Tree" can go f*ck themselves.
 
Why would it have to involve me?
It's fairly simple and straightforward, actually. Consider the fact that Bob's lying to Sue does not relieve YOU of an obligation to honesty.

How am I excusing myself from observing the basics of common courtesy? You're still under the foolish notion that political correctness and common courtesy are one in the same. They're not. Political Correctness deals primarily with race and gender. Common Courtesy simply deals with human decency.
Part of your problem may be that you don't understand the notion of political correctness -- it doesn't have the narrow and demarcated boundaries you suggest -- and instead use the term as you've been taught to, as a supposedly defamatory but actually hollow political buzzword in the style of "tax-and-spend liberal".
 
Let me understand this-you are making posts about 'common courtesy'? Doobie is correct, certain groups can get away with all sorts of slurs. Reasons are many but some are actually racist two ways.
No, he's just reciting from the primer. Perhaps you have "memorized" it as well.

one form of racism is that of low expectations.
Ah, this notion of disparaging via low expectations would indeed help explain right-wing reluctance to invest in the poor and in social safety nets.
 
Political correctness is typically just another way of saying common courtesy.

Not necessarily, and in this context, the P.C. terminology is absolutely offensive. We live in a multicultural society that demands respect for the customs of others. Any attempt to refer to a Christmas tree as a "holiday tree" is to disrespect the custom of Christmas, and thus to disrespect everyone who subscribes to Christianity or the Christmas custom. It's not a "holiday tree" any more than a menorah is a candelabra.
 
If you want an alternative name for pc/common courtesy reasons, why use one that sounds like it was produced by a particularly unimaginative corporate marketing team?

Even Yule tree would be better, since it actually hints at the cultural heritage of the symbol, even if speaking about culture in plain terms seems to offend people anyway.
 
As far as I'm concerned, it's a Christmas Tree, and anyone who finds the term offensive or prefers to call it a "Holiday Tree" can go f*ck themselves.

Likewise. Anyone who feels so entitled that they wouldn't call it a holiday tree can do the same. :)
 
Not necessarily, and in this context, the P.C. terminology is absolutely offensive. We live in a multicultural society that demands respect for the customs of others. Any attempt to refer to a Christmas tree as a "holiday tree" is to disrespect the custom of Christmas, and thus to disrespect everyone who subscribes to Christianity or the Christmas custom. It's not a "holiday tree" any more than a menorah is a candelabra.
You've completely missed the point. Many people who are not connected in any way to the Christian religion celebrate a holiday called Christmas, complete with all the warm-hearted, traditional, and over-commercialized trimmings that consumerism has invented and attached to it. That is their individual right.

What religious fanatics seek to do is to expropriate and brand the holiday as their own exclusive domain, complete with dictatorial powers over how it should be celebrated. Then they claim that those telling them to get real and buzz off are insensitive and intolerant.

We are actually of course insensitive and intolerant toward trespassers in general, and trespassing is exactly what these Xtian nutcases are doing. There is no more right among Christians to be upset with the way non-Christians celebrate Christmas than there is among Muslims to be upset that Eid isn't celebrated by non-Muslims at all. This is all a lesson in the importance of knowing what size your breeches are and then not becoming too big for them.

Political correctness meanwhile takes one into the realm of openness, acceptance, and cosmopolitanism as opposed to narrowness, discrimination, and tribalistic provincialism. But its essence is simple common courtesy matched with the notion that all people are worthy of that much. Like a sense of honesty or trustworthiness, it is more something that one has, as opposed to something that one does.
 
It's fairly simple and straightforward, actually. Consider the fact that Bob's lying to Sue does not relieve YOU of an obligation to honesty.
Well done. You just answered your own question. It's inaccurate, but you did manage to answer it.


Part of your problem may be that you don't understand the notion of political correctness -- it doesn't have the narrow and demarcated boundaries you suggest -- and instead use the term as you've been taught to, as a supposedly defamatory but actually hollow political buzzword in the style of "tax-and-spend liberal".
Your problem is that you haven't any evidence to back up your opinions. I, on the other hand, do.

Here's a couple examples of Political Correctness, in action: Take television commercials that depict someone as a burglar, criminal, or any other bad seed sort of fellow. Got a commercial in mind yet? Now, focus your mind on that person, and guess which skin color he has. If you didn't guess white, you're drinking the kool-aid.

Now, take the next time you see a commercial with African Americans & Caucasians in it together. If it's a stuation where a skin tone, or gender, comes out on top, or ends up looking better than the other, guess which one it is? If you guessed white (or more specifically, white male) then you're smoking crack in addition to drinking the kool-aid.

Advertisers do this intentionally, Cardinal Fang, and do you know why? Wrong. They do it to avoid the damaging effects PC Activists can inflict on their organizations.

These are examples of Political Correctness, not Human Decency. I hope this little activity has helped you.
 
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Well done. You just answered your own question. It's inaccurate, but you did manage to answer it.


Your problem is that you haven't any evidence to back up your opinions. I, on the other hand, do.

Here's a couple examples of Political Correctness, in action: Take television commercials that depict someone as a burglar, criminal, or any other bad seed sort of fellow. Got a commercial in mind yet? Now, focus your mind on that person, and guess which skin color he has. If you didn't guess white, you're drinking the kool-aid.

Now, take the next time you see a commercial with African Americans & Caucasians in it together. If it's a situation where a skin tone, or gender, comes out on top, or ends up looking better than the other, guess which one it is? If you guessed white (or more specifically, white male) then you're smoking crack in addition to drinking the kool-aid.

Advertisers do this intentionally, Cardinal Fang, and do you know why? Wrong. They do it to avoid the damaging effects PC Activists can inflict on their organizations.

These are examples of Political Correctness, not Human Decency. I hope this little activity has helped you.
"Like" for me anyway, does not equate with "agree"..
For a man to base his philosophy on TV advertisements is not so good...
Its better to switch off the TV and talk with real people in the world.
Ones philosophy should be balanced....a good book, a good movie, a good conversation..
And of course, political correctness be damned !
 
"Like" for me anyway, does not equate with "agree"... For a man to base his philosophy on TV advertisements is not so good...
I agree. TV commercials are beneath Liberals, therefore, they should assure advertisers that there would be zero repercussions if they depict their non-white talent in a less than positive role. Can I count you to head up that effort on DP?
 
Your problem is that you haven't any evidence to back up your opinions. I, on the other hand, do....
Seriously? TV commercials? Do you know why they call it the boob tube? Do you know what the purpose of advertising is? Do you actually expect that we can look to advertising agencies as the cutting edge that defines the moral fabfic of this society? You might want to just rethink thios whole thought from the top.

I hope this little activity has helped you.
Oh yes, it's helped quite a lot in fleshing out the picture of what popping off some of the steam of repressed old white guy backlash looks like.
 
Seriously? TV commercials?
For now, yes. See, the way this works is, I provide an example or source to back up my point, and then you provide an example or source that is as at least as good, or better than mine. I'm sorry, Cardinal, but your opinion isn't going to cut it. Either produce an example or a source or stop typing.
 
It is..has been...and always will be a Christmas tree. I'm not religious at all. However, anyone calling it a "Holiday Tree" gives me an urge to punch that said person in the stomach.
 
For now, yes. See, the way this works is, I provide an example or source to back up my point, and then you provide an example or source that is as at least as good, or better than mine. I'm sorry, Cardinal, but your opinion isn't going to cut it. Either produce an example or a source or stop typing.
No, that isn't how it works at all. Your logic is worse than your examples. The fact remains that at least a signficant part of your problem stems from your not understanding the concept of political correctness to begin with. It does not have anything like the narrow and demarcated boundaries you suggested earlier, and you use the term only in the childish manner once taught to you -- as a supposedly pejorative but actually empty bumper-sticker buzzword in the style of "tax-and-spend liberal". At least as so far put forward, your take on the matter is devoid of any recognizable sense or merit at all. It's just regurgitated emotion. Fear and insecurity, yes, actually rational thought, no.
 
It is..has been...and always will be a Christmas tree. I'm not religious at all. However, anyone calling it a "Holiday Tree" gives me an urge to punch that said person in the stomach.
Some Tim Allen grunts would have gone so well here...

ARRRHHH! ARRRHHH! ARRRHHH! ARRRHHH!

Note: Those are at least 20 years outdated also.
 
No, that isn't how it works at all. Your logic is worse than your examples. The fact remains that at least a signficant part of your problem stems from your not understanding the concept of political correctness to begin with. It does not have anything like the narrow and demarcated boundaries you suggested earlier, and you use the term only in the childish manner once taught to you -- as a supposedly pejorative but actually empty bumper-sticker buzzword in the style of "tax-and-spend liberal". At least as so far put forward, your take on the matter is devoid of any recognizable sense or merit at all. It's just regurgitated emotion. Fear and insecurity, yes, actually rational thought, no.
OK, CF, educate me. What is Political Correctness?
 
It is..has been...and always will be a Christmas tree. I'm not religious at all. However, anyone calling it a "Holiday Tree" gives me an urge to punch that said person in the stomach.

How about this


How about


People just call the tree whatever they want
 
How about this


How about


People just call the tree whatever they want
I think we should do that with everything.

I say tomato, you say fuzzy razzleberry. I say potato, you say mgmlbfmfflbn.
 
I think we should do that with everything.

I say tomato, you say fuzzy razzleberry. I say potato, you say mgmlbfmfflbn.
Actually, where I come from, we do call them mmgmlbfmfflbns, and I'm offended you find this amusing.

Therefore I will make a thread and rant about how other people do things that I don't want them to do.
 
Actually, where I come from, we do call them mmgmlbfmfflbns, and I'm offended you find this amusing.

Therefore I will make a thread and rant about how other people do things that I don't want them to do.
You'd better run that past Cardinal Fang, first.
 
OK, CF, educate me. What is Political Correctness?
Start here. See all those References and Further reading entries at the bottom? Explore those liberally as well. You have a lot of catching up to do.
 
You'd better run that past Cardinal Fang, first.
Oh, I'm all in favor of his right to create a thread and whine like a little baby about whatever he wants. He does have a point though...making fun of mmgmlbfmfflbns is insensitive at the very least.
 
You've completely missed the point.

No, sir, it is you who have "missed the point."


NEW RULE:

Anyone who calls a Christmas tree a "holiday tree" gets his rectum stuffed with pine cones.
 
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