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  • Christmas Tree.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I recognize the difference between the collective "you" as distinct from the individual "you." The points ARE plain. YOU accused me of hypocrisy. Now point it out.
    It's already been done twice. YOUR display is warm and fuzzy. The display of OTHERS is snarky and bitchy. Get the beam out of thine own eye....

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Blaming every Atheist for the actions of a handful of radicals makes as much sense as blaming all religious people for the actions of westboro idiots or Islamic terrorist.
    Martin Luther King would have been a better example than the ones you chose. Dr. King's message was that official favoritism for whites did not live up to the great promises made by America. The message of the folks in question -- not nearly all of whom could aptly be called 'atheists' -- is that official favoritism for Christianity (or any other religion) doesn't either.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The Christmas tree...is well part of the celebration of Christmas.
    In addition to the peoples of many centuries past, many people today who do not celebrate anything but the season itself put a tree in their homes. Are they compelled to call it a Christmas tree? On what account?

    Certainly a tree may be part of a celebration of Christmas. But it may be part of other things as well. Mind the gap when trying to own any of those other things.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Pretty normal for any religion.
    Yes, in the general sense, religion trades its supposedly "higher order" approval and endorsement of the culture and mores of the society it finds itself in for at least a decent standard of living while performing very little other work at all. Borrowing and attempting to brand social ceremonies and trappings that have nothing to do with your religion but which are already popular in society is simply a case of good marketing.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    We Catholics ripped it off. Along with wedding bands.
    So Catholics are just dirty rotten lying thieves?

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Saboteur View Post
    The Castanza's are known for being bulls*** artists. I wouldn't believe anything they tell you.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    there is a difference between freedom of religion and not having religion be resent in society at all. Just because I have the freedom to choose what religion I am, does not mean that the guy next to me should be suppressed from his beliefs. It's a Christmas tree, and if you don't like it then don't buy one!
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    there is a difference between freedom of religion and not having religion be resent in society at all. Just because I have the freedom to choose what religion I am, does not mean that the guy next to me should be suppressed from his beliefs. It's a Christmas tree, and if you don't like it then don't buy one!
    I'm confident those who don't like trees for the holidays in fact refrain from purchasing them. Persons of various religions and none however often DO like such trees and often DO purchase them. What they call them would then seem to be their business. They do not after all go down to the local Christian church and sign a three-week rental contract for one, promising to think of and describe it as set out in the fine print.

    Present day society is meanwhile awash in religious references and iconography. Fear that religion will somehow vanish or be driven from public life is beyond irrational. Such objections as do arise concerning religion nearly all have their basis in improper attempts by religionists to enlist the public apparatus of the state in their private religious purposes. That and only that is what is prohibited. Yet with all the private property extending over hill and dale for as far as the eye can see, where is it that some folks insist on putting their manger scenes? You guessed it...on public property. They just can't seem to leave it alone.
    Last edited by Cardinal Fang; 12-18-12 at 03:28 PM.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Mirror, mirror, on the wall....
    Snow White's mother-in-law showed that same kind of daily insecurity.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    In certain instances, he may have made the argument. However, he did not make it in this thread (to my knowledge) so you're attacking an argument he hasn't made. That's very dishonest of you and not in the true spirit of debate.
    It's turning his own idiot logic on his own insecure question. My response was both relevant and appropriate. Your defense of his awful remarks is what's dishonest.

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