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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    so people who don't actually go to church and don't actually follow Christ's teachings get all bent out of shape every December and start or push threads like this one.
    Quoted for truth. Hard to deny that most of my fellow Christians are rank hypocrites, and the bad rep that Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular is hard to live down. However, fairness is necessary on both sides to have a reasonable discussion, and the implication that all religious people have hardened hearts and enslaved minds is grossly unfair and pointlessly divisive.

    Christianity can soften hearts and free minds in a way that "humanism" and atheism simply cannot. I have met any number of ****ty "religious" people, but the only truly great people I know fully believe in God and are humble as a result.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Quoted for truth. Hard to deny that most of my fellow Christians are rank hypocrites, and the bad rep that Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular is hard to live down. However, fairness is necessary on both sides to have a reasonable discussion, and the implication that all religious people have hardened hearts and enslaved minds is grossly unfair and pointlessly divisive.
    Yes, many Chrsitians are tarnished unfairly by the behavior of entirely too many others. I have sometimes used "Xtian" to distinguish the problem children from the perfectly reasonable people who happen to be Christian. Whether or not that's a good way to make it, such a distinction clearly exists.

    Meanwhile, I doubt that the soltice sign means to point to any religion in particular, but rather, since they reject all of them, to the generality of all religious effect observable anywhere in the world.

    Humility of course is something that almost everyone will claim to have, and almost everyone will be right. The problem tends to arise in the consistency with which this humility is expressed and displayed. Almost everyone has gaps in performance. Some more than others. But I doubt that humility is really different from any other aspect of morality, and religion is neither necessary nor sufficient to that.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The amendment itself is very general. The rules for how the generalities apply in specific situations have to come from someplace else. Any ideas for where to look?
    Are you really going to try to run away from clear language by telling me to look somewhere else? Oh right, the language is just "very general" lol..

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Sounds like to me that some people are getting upset over a technicality that allows Christmas tree's to be put in public buildings. The catch is that we assume that a Holiday Tree represents all religious faiths. That way we can still call it a a Christmas tree even though it was officially a holiday tree. Another religion could call it whatever they want since a conifer tree being decorated during the beginning of winter can be shown to be of non-christian origin. A Christmas tree or whatever you want to call it. Many traditions migrate to other areas but no longer retain the original meanings.

    I still do not see why any of this matters. Just name a tree how you want. I am a Atheist and it has never bothered me that a Christmas tree is names Christmas tree. Christmas however celebrated is a old American tradition. Some people put a lot of religious ideas behind the holiday season but then a lot do not.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Try calling it a Christmas tree rather than a Holiday tree and see if its still for sale. People can be so ridiculous.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Are you really going to try to run away from clear language by telling me to look somewhere else? Oh right, the language is just "very general" lol..
    Are you really that naive? My town is proposing to provide free bus service to and from school each day for all elementary students in our public schools. The buses go right past the homes of parochial school students and right past our parochial schools. Our parochial school parents pay the same taxes as our other parents.

    Please point to where in the First Amendment it is explained whether including parochial school students in our busing plan would be permitted or not permitted.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    LOL! Ever mired in the abyss of pop-culture.
    More excuses, Cardinal Fang? Something tells me that you're going to need to chew on a more expansive list.

    Liberal Racists

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    Well, that's quite a paranoid delusion on your part, but you can certainly believe such things if you like. Meanwhile, and as any serious source would confirm, political correctness can fairly be viewed as a harm-reduction initiative, one that was and still is needed in the face of the wanton abuse and debasement of some parts of our population by others. Some of that latter group are of course by now a lost cause. They were raised to value hatred and disrespect and they aren't about to be diverted from it now. But we can use them as negative examples in showing the next generation how truly ugly a state of bigotry can be. In that way, they too may serve in advancing our pursuit of a more just and inclusive society.
    I get what you're saying, officer, it's just that your stupid initiative has nothing to do with Common Courtesy. I understand your side's undying quest to change meanings of words, and even history itself, but at least be honest about your objectives. It's the least you can do.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    More excuses, Cardinal Fang? Something tells me that you're going to need to chew on a more expansive list.
    That's a step down from Bill Maher. At least he has actual writers behind him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I get what you're saying, officer, it's just that your stupid initiative has nothing to do with Common Courtesy.
    Of course it does. It is common courtesy not to engage in deliberate and gratuitous insult, abuse, and vilification of other people. This is not some matter of high etiquette. It is a matter of common courtesy that is owed to every individual who crosses your path.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I understand your side's undying quest to change meanings of words, and even history itself, but at least be honest about your objectives. It's the least you can do.
    Yet more paranoia. The objective here is potty-training for those who didn't quite catch the last bits of that on the first go-around.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    I also call them my "I eat babies" bush.
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

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    I also call them my "I eat babies" bush.
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