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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well gee, thanks for your permission to call it a Christmas tree.
    You have always been able to call it whatever you want. So has everyone else. The presumption here comes from Christians calling out those who choose not to follow their sacred example, not the other way around. Once again, it is the Christians who are the oppressor wannabes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There is a connection between the decorated tree and the holiday of Christmas. For instance, most Christmas trees are topped with a star or an angel. What do you think the significance of that is?
    The significance is whatever an individual wishes to attach to it. It doesn't have to go beyond or even as far as "Gee, that looks pretty."

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't care what anyone calls it. If I was at someone's house and they said "Look at my beautiful holiday tree." I might ask why they call it that, but I certainly wouldn't take offense. I am asking WHY some people INSIST on calling it a holiday tree or else they are all "offended."
    Where are those people? On Bill O'Reilly again?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't have an opposition to any term either. As I said, I am asking others why they are offended by the term "Christmas" tree and insist upon holiday tree instead?
    Assumes facts not in evidence. People -- including me -- certainly have a right to be offended by Christian attempts to expropriate and brand the holiday season, thereby excluding the mention, expression, or even recognition of other holidays that fall at the same time of year. But no one is offended by the term Christmas tree as a personal choice of terminology by Christians and assorted non-Christians alike.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is an untrue comment.
    No, it isn't. The "War on Christmas" is just as much a seasonal fable as Rudolph. Both have proven to be reliable moneymakers, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't believe this is true. I think it has only been the past two holiday seasons when this has been made into an issue by the current Governor Chafee. I know, the jerks always have to come forward during the holiday season and have their yearly bitch fest about Christmas and Christianity.
    Do some research. Nothing has changed under Chafee.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This whole thing could be easily avoided by eliminating such decorations from state/federal buildings.
    Yes, it could, though local government buildings would also need coverage. But Christian lawmakers annually insist upon their naked pandering. Then the ACLU among others has to come along and smack them down. Maybe we should stop electing Jesus-freaks.

    The alternative of course is to declare a public forum on public property where the holiday expressions of all are welcome. Then you could indeed have sweet baby Jesus in his little manger on the city hall lawn. But you'd have to be prepared for him to have this as his next-door neighbor...

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Except we are not talking about something as tangible as a cat or a dog. In fact, we are referring to a very vague and controversial Maoist concept. Therefore, your analogy sucks.
    The terms "dog" and "cat" likely include more variability withn them than the term "political correctness" does. The problem is your need to muddy and smudge the boundaries of a term that has nothing to do with Mao so that your self-serving and abusive corruptions of that definition might be snuck in without anyone noticing. Try again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Whatever... But understand this, I find the term "holiday tree" offensive. Therefore, it is not "politically correct," at least not for me, and from what I can see, not for a great many other people either. Indeed, if you were ever a guest in my house for Christmas (as unlikely as that may be) and you were to call my Christmas tree a "holiday tree," I would toss you out on your ear (literally).
    You continue to err grossly in identifying the extents of your realm. You can do whatever you like in your personal litte world. You cannot reach out and prevent others from doing as they would like in their worlds, nor can you literally toss people about. Those are tortious acts.

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    This is as far as I care to labor this point or continue this discussion.
    That's a relief. Particularly I would imagine to those who on some level at least might agree with you.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Right. My point is clear. So why did you miss it? Or did you dodge it?
    I plainly stated it. Your point is to play dumb as a means of avoiding a confrontation with the facts.

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    Liberalism is too tough to process. Pretend I'm a PC virgin who hasn't been able to wrap his mind around Communism, yet. Now tell me why you people decided to say "minimize" instead of "eliminate". Is that too tough to process?
    Asked and answered...

    "On the one hand, people are not protected from insult. On the other hand, it is not acceptable to inflict deliberate and gratuitous harm onto others through slurs, insults, and other derogatory language."

    Apparently that was indeed too tough to process the first go around, so give it another shot. By the way, do you understand going in that laws against murder are not intended to eliminate killing? Is the why and how of that yet another thing you've long been wondering about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    So? She's still a human being.
    Read the law. As a public figure, she has fewer rights than a private person would.
    Last edited by Cardinal Fang; 12-12-12 at 10:07 AM.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Ya think? You don't suppose it might be something a bit more nefarious, like anti-Christians trying to stamp out every trace of Christianity, do you?
    No, not at all. In fact, I don't typically subscribe to the paranoid rants of irrationalists. This would just be another occasion of that.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    The funny thing about this so called war on xmas is that despite how hard Christians try Atheists are not having a war on Christmas. The reality is that Christian's are having their own war on the word "Holiday". Comically the word holiday derived from the notion "Holy Day". So Christian's are upset that some people call a xmas tree a holy day tree. Makes you wonder if Christian's own dictionaries? Christmas dare I say is a holiday, therefor a tree put up on a holiday would be a holiday tree.

    Christmas is a official holiday, but if we officially call it a holiday its somehow an attack on Christmas?

    I love each year that Christians ramp up this war on Christmas, it just shows why we would be better off without Christianity.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    See below....
    Last edited by Dooble; 12-12-12 at 11:40 AM.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I love each year that Christians ramp up this war on Christmas, it just shows why we would be better off without Christianity.
    Chritianity in general, or just some of the pretenders who call themselves Christians?

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The point is clear. Playing dumb as a means of avoiding a confrontation with the facts.
    Actually, that's your point. My point simply explains how you've confused political correctness with common courtesy. You had zero explanation over the televison commercial example, and you've been trying to twist the subject to your warped point of view ever since we started. Your point is to obfuscate. My point is to keep you focused.

    Sarah Palin is still a human being, and no law allows for the reckless language that has been thrown at her. Nice try, but you and I both know you're wrong.

    And "on the one hand", your goal should be to 'eliminate', regardless of the situation. Using words like 'minimize' or 'law' leaves the door open for your brand of enlightenment.

    Now, back to Political Correctness. We're going to break this down even more so that you can't run further interference:

    In your opinion, do you believe intent political correctness allows equal treatment for everyone? Aside from certain public figures, of course, as you've already excused those who wish to be perfect a**holes toward them.
    Last edited by Dooble; 12-12-12 at 11:38 AM.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    My point simply explains how you've confused political correctness with common courtesy.
    There is no confusion. At their core, the two are the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Sarah Palin is still a human being, and no law allows for the reckless language that has been thrown at her. Nice try, but you and I both know you're wrong.
    LOL! It's the march of the toy strawmen. No one has contested Sarah Palin's humanity or suggested an endorsement of everything ever said by anyone about her. It has only been pointed out that she is a public figure and is legitimately a target of some forms of criticism that would be out of line when directed toward a private citizen. And you and I both know that you've already gone down in flames and are only hoping here to signal for help from the wreckage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    "On the one hand", your goal should be to 'eliminate', regardless of the situation. Using words like 'minimize' or 'law' leaves the door open for your brand of enlightenment.
    So, you're one of those black-and-white only thinkers? Can't process shades of gray, so none of those are allowed? Such a surprise to learn that. I take it then that a difference between murder and killing in self-defense is one that you've never been able to recognize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Now, back to Political Correctness. We're going to break this down even more so that you can't run further interference: In your opinion, do you believe Political Correctness is intended to cover all people, equally?
    On one level, yes, on others, no. It is certainly meant to discourage equally all those who profess a right to inflict deliberate and gratuitous harm onto others through slurs, insults, and other derogatory language.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Chritianity in general, or just some of the pretenders who call themselves Christians?
    By better I meant it in a rhetorical fashion. I fully support an America where people have the liberty and freedom to call a damn tree whatever that they wish. But right now it seems that mainstream Christians do not really believe in liberty or freedom unless you are just talking about Christian's.

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