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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Holiday comes from Holy Day, with Christmas a Holyday. Although Christmas is a holyday, it is not the only holyday. A holyday tree, could lead to confusion unless we add trees to all the holydays. For the sake of clarity Christmas tree is used.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    You miss the point (no surprise here, of course).
    The point is clear. Playing dumb as a means of avoiding a confrontation with the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    What I'm driving at is, why isn't ELIMINATE the objective?
    On the one hand, people are not protected from insult. On the other hand, it is not acceptable to inflict deliberate and gratuitous harm onto others through slurs, insults, and other derogatory language. Is that too tough to process?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Is it because people like you reserve the right to leave the insult door slightly open to certain others? Others like, say, Sarah Palin?
    Sarah Palin is a public figure.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I remember "Freedom Fries", and they were every bit as stupid as "Holiday Tree". The interesting thing is, "Holiday Tree" never went away. Why do you suppose that is, Cardinal Fang?
    The term must be increasing in popularity. I suppose the decline of Christianity in America might have something to do with that. There's a chance that at some point in the near term, someone will come up with a catchy new word or phrase for the holiday season that encompasses them all and that reference to any of the individual holiday names will become infrequent and even archaic thereafter. The whole point after all is just to sell stuff and boost year-end profits. The rest is essentially window-dressing.
    Last edited by Cardinal Fang; 12-11-12 at 02:29 PM.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    [QUOTE=Cardinal Fang;1061237564]
    Gee, that's great. Maybe you should call it a Christmas tree. That's what I do. But in fact there is no connection between a decorated -- and these days, likely artificial -- tree and either Christianity or Christmas that exists independent of your personal stance and perspective. Someone who is not Christian and is not celebrating Christmas may very well wish to put up such a tree at this time of year and he or she is not restricted by whatever is in your head when it comes to what to call it.
    Well gee, thanks for your permission to call it a Christmas tree. There is a connection between the decorated tree and the holiday of Christmas. For instance, most Christmas trees are topped with a star or an angel. What do you think the significance of that is?

    I don't care what anyone calls it. If I was at someone's house and they said "Look at my beautiful holiday tree." I might ask why they call it that, but I certainly wouldn't take offense. I am asking WHY some people INSIST on calling it a holiday tree or else they are all "offended."


    Don't have any opposition to the term at any level. But why are zealots promoting acts of criminal assault against people for using a different term? Maybe it's their psychoses that need to be examined here.
    I don't have an opposition to any term either. As I said, I am asking others why they are offended by the term "Christmas" tree and insist upon holiday tree instead?

    Only on Bill O'Reilly. This sort of nonsense has been a big moneymaker for him.
    That is an untrue comment.

    This is the same arrangement as has gone in in Rhode Island for some years. Keep in mind that the display is in the State House rotunda, not a public forum. Calling the tree a "holiday" tree is one part of how the state gets past the ban on favoring one religion over another and religion over non-religion. If it were called a Christmas tree, they would be hit with lawsuits in a matter of seconds, and the outcome would be removal of the entire display.
    I don't believe this is true. I think it has only been the past two holiday seasons when this has been made into an issue by the current Governor Chafee. I know, the jerks always have to come forward during the holiday season and have their yearly bitch fest about Christmas and Christianity.

    This whole thing could be easily avoided by eliminating such decorations from state/federal buildings.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Maybe I'm paranoid, but i think they do it to remind people to go shopping. And I think a "holiday tree" increases the potential number of those who could boost the local economy.
    Meh, maybe I'm paranoid too. It sounds plausible to me.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post

    Words and terms function because they have what are supposed to be at least generally accepted meanings. If people say that a four-legged creature that says "Meow" is a dog, they are likely on the wrong page and would need and benefit from some assistance and encouragement in updating their understandings.
    Except we are not talking about something as tangible as a cat or a dog. In fact, we are referring to a very vague and controversial Maoist concept. Therefore, your analogy sucks.

    As any number of examples might go to illustrate, merely calling something a "cultural tradition" is not at all sufficient to bring protection, respect, or even tolerance for it.
    Whatever... But understand this, I find the term "holiday tree" offensive. Therefore, it is not "politically correct," at least not for me, and from what I can see, not for a great many other people either. Indeed, if you were ever a guest in my house for Christmas (as unlikely as that may be) and you were to call my Christmas tree a "holiday tree," I would toss you out on your ear (literally).

    This is as far as I care to labor this point or continue this discussion.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The point is clear.
    Right. My point is clear. So why did you miss it? Or did you dodge it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    On the one hand, people are not protected from insult. On the other hand, it is not acceptable to inflict deliberate and gratuitous harm onto others through slurs, insults, and other derogatory language. Is that too tough to process?
    Liberalism is too tough to process. Pretend I'm a PC virgin who hasn't been able to wrap his mind around Communism, yet. Now tell me why you people decided to say "minimize" instead of "eliminate". Is that too tough to process?


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    Sarah Palin is a public figure.
    So? She's still a human being.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The term must be increasing in popularity. I suppose the decline of Christianity in America might have something to do with that.
    Ya think? You don't suppose it might be something a bit more nefarious, like anti-Christians trying to stamp out every trace of Christianity, do you?

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    The term must be increasing in popularity. I suppose the decline of Christianity in America might have something to do with that. There's a chance that at some point in the near term, someone will come up with a catchy new word or phrase for the holiday season that encompasses them all and that reference to any of the individual holiday names will become infrequent and even archaic thereafter. The whole point after all is just to sell stuff and boost year-end profits. The rest is essentially window-dressing.

    You Democrats are probably cheering as you bring all these non-Christians to America knowing they will call it a holiday tree instead of a Christmas tree.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You Democrats are probably cheering as you bring all these non-Christians to America knowing they will call it a holiday tree instead of a Christmas tree.
    <diabolical laughter>........

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