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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    [QUOTE=Cardinal Fang;1061236582]
    Words and terms function because they have what are supposed to be at least generally accepted meanings. If people say that a four-legged creature that says "Meow" is a dog, they are likely on the wrong page and would need and benefit from some assistance and encouragement in updating their understandings.
    Exactly. Like a tree that you put up and decorate for the Christmas holiday is generally accepted to be a "Christmas" tree.

    As any number of examples might go to illustrate, merely calling something a "cultural tradition" is not at all sufficient to bring protection, respect, or even tolerance for it.
    It's not ONLY a cultural tradition, but it is actually a Christmas tree. It's not a Halloween tree. It's not a Thanksgiving tree.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly. Like a tree that you put up and decorate for the Christmas holiday is generally accepted to be a "Christmas" tree.
    Which is exactly what most people choose to call it. But calling it a holiday tree -- particularly if you don't actually celebrate Christmas at all -- is hardly wrong, deceptive, or misleading. The term describes exactly the same thing, while making it clear that you don't associate your celebration with Christmas. Do you remember "freedom fries"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's not ONLY a cultural tradition, but it is actually a Christmas tree. It's not a Halloween tree. It's not a Thanksgiving tree.
    As you probably know, there are many different holidays celebrated during the latter parts of December. The time is not owned by Christians or Christianity, and the cheery habit of decorating a tree has no connection to Christianity at all. Anyone who wants to can do it, and they can call it what they will. Calling it a "stuffed wallaby" would of course be wrong, deceptive, and misleading, so something like "holiday tree" would be a better choice.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Which is exactly what most people choose to call it. But calling it a holiday tree -- particularly if you don't actually celebrate Christmas at all -- is hardly wrong, deceptive, or misleading. The term describes exactly the same thing, while making it clear that you don't associate your celebration with Christmas. Do you remember "freedom fries"?


    As you probably know, there are many different holidays celebrated during the latter parts of December. The time is not owned by Christians or Christianity, and the cheery habit of decorating a tree has no connection to Christianity at all. Anyone who wants to can do it, and they can call it what they will. Calling it a "stuffed wallaby" would of course be wrong, deceptive, and misleading, so something like "holiday tree" would be a better choice.
    Like it or not Christmas trees ARE associated with the holiday of Christmas here in America. Nobody "owns" anything, but there is no denying the fact that the two have a connection, at least as far as a lot of Americans are concerned.

    Why the strong opposition to the term "Christmas" tree? Especially if it means nothing to you. There are actually organized groups that go around to protest anything to do with "Christmas."

    Did you know that in Rhode Island, they will not allow the tree they put up in the State House to be called a Christmas tree and that they actually went so far as to keep the lighting of this tree quiet and performed it very quickly and quietly? Yet they allow a Menorah lighting and celebration? Hmmmm. Go figure.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Plus, Dec 25 has always been designated for Christmas. If the libs want to have a Holiday Tree, they need to pick a different day and lobby to have it on the calendar.
    I think you are on to something. Perhaps George Washington's Birthday. Then all those who want to eliminate Christmas could go out and chop down a cherry tree.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Actually, IMO, they probably shouldn't allow ANY decorations that have to do with any kind of holidays in state/federal buildings. That would avoid conflict completely.

    Also, I wonder how much of our money they spend to do all of these decorations and hold these ceremonies? It really isn't necessary.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    You haven't made much progress. Can't say that I'm surprised though, seeing as trivial words are tripping you up...

    MINIMIZE
    You miss the point (no surprise here, of course).

    What I'm driving at is, why isn't ELIMINATE the objective? Is it because people like you reserve the right to leave the insult door slightly open to certain others? Others like, say, Sarah Palin?

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    So doesn't anyone else think that the states kind of start these issues up around every Christmas season by causing these unnecessary disputes about Christmas trees and holiday trees, when they actually could avoid the whole thing by NOT putting up any decorations at all.

    Maybe just a wreath with some holly and a bow or something like that.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Which is exactly what most people choose to call it. But calling it a holiday tree -- particularly if you don't actually celebrate Christmas at all -- is hardly wrong, deceptive, or misleading. The term describes exactly the same thing, while making it clear that you don't associate your celebration with Christmas. Do you remember "freedom fries"?
    I remember "Freedom Fries", and they were every bit as stupid as "Holiday Tree". The interesting thing is, "Holiday Tree" never went away. Why do you suppose that is, Cardinal Fang?

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    Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So doesn't anyone else think that the states kind of start these issues up around every Christmas season by causing these unnecessary disputes about Christmas trees and holiday trees, when they actually could avoid the whole thing by NOT putting up any decorations at all.

    Maybe just a wreath with some holly and a bow or something like that.
    Maybe I'm paranoid, but i think they do it to remind people to go shopping. And I think a "holiday tree" increases the potential number of those who could boost the local economy.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Like it or not Christmas trees ARE associated with the holiday of Christmas here in America. Nobody "owns" anything, but there is no denying the fact that the two have a connection, at least as far as a lot of Americans are concerned.
    Gee, that's great. Maybe you should call it a Christmas tree. That's what I do. But in fact there is no connection between a decorated -- and these days, likely artificial -- tree and either Christianity or Christmas that exists independent of your personal stance and perspective. Someone who is not Christian and is not celebrating Christmas may very well wish to put up such a tree at this time of year and he or she is not restricted by whatever is in your head when it comes to what to call it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why the strong opposition to the term "Christmas" tree?
    Don't have any opposition to the term at any level. But why are zealots promoting acts of criminal assault against people for using a different term? Maybe it's their psychoses that need to be examined here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are actually organized groups that go around to protest anything to do with "Christmas."
    Only on Bill O'Reilly. This sort of nonsense has been a big moneymaker for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Did you know that in Rhode Island, they will not allow the tree they put up in the State House to be called a Christmas tree and that they actually went so far as to keep the lighting of this tree quiet and performed it very quickly and quietly? Yet they allow a Menorah lighting and celebration? Hmmmm. Go figure.
    This is the same arrangement as has gone in in Rhode Island for some years. Keep in mind that the display is in the State House rotunda, not a public forum. Calling the tree a "holiday" tree is one part of how the state gets past the ban on favoring one religion over another and religion over non-religion. If it were called a Christmas tree, they would be hit with lawsuits in a matter of seconds, and the outcome would be removal of the entire display.

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