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Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

Which one is it?


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In the Israeli city of Nazareth, it is illegal to display Christmas trees in Public
 
Ever heard of the Roman festival of Saturnalia? Where Romans decorated trees and gave gifts from Dec 17-25th?


Seeing how Saturnalia is not practiced any more by Romans its an irrelevant point.
 
Which one is it?


Every year same song and dance...to me its a Christmas tree...it can be whatever anyone wants it to be or call it...as long as they dont try to FORCE me to call it something other than a Christmas tree...thats what its been to me as long as I can remember and im not changing for anyone...
 
In the Israeli city of Nazareth, it is illegal to display Christmas trees in Public
A glimpse of America's future.... thanks a lot, liberals.
 
It doesn't matter what I say, it IS a Christmas Tree.

The only reason that the whole "holiday tree" BS started was because of political correctness crap and butt hurt idiots. They can all go and get thier own trees and butthurt each other over them for all I care. But if you try to tell me that I should say "holiday tree" I'll be sure to give you an actual reason to be butt hurt over.

sick and tired of political correct crap
 
Christmas Tree, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with Christ. Very few Christmas traditions have any real linkage to Christianity.
Another comment from the ranks of ignorance. Let's take a look at a just a few of the connections between Christ and Christmas:

Family
Christmas Caroling
Service
Church Attendance (For some, it's the only time of the year they attend)
General sharing of goodwill
 
Another comment from the ranks of ignorance. Let's take a look at a just a few of the connections between Christ and Christmas:

Family
Christmas Caroling
Service
Church Attendance (For some, it's the only time of the year they attend)
General sharing of goodwill

You serious?
How is family, which has existed since the dawn of the first clan form of organism hierarchy proof of anything you say?
Christmas Caroling is related to Christ how? Sure we sing songs about Christ, but that doesn't that caroling in itself is BECAUSE of Christ. Furthermore, Roman Mummers during the holidays would go around in costume in troops singing. Sounds familiar?

Service and Attendance are clearly not what I'm talking about. FYI, your rules violation was reported to the mods.

General sharing of goodwill, which occurs on basically many major holidays.

Since you think you are so smart, enough that you'll risk a TOS violation, want to explain to me how the follow traditions are from Christ?

Christmas Trees
Gift Giving (and it's whole slew of Commercialization)
Mistletoe
Yule Tide Logs
Eggnog
Frosty the Snowman
December 25 as Christ's Birthday (which it clearly cannot be based on the descriptions in the Bible)
Santa Claus
Christmas Stockings
Holly, Ivy and Greenery
Poinsettias
Jack Frost
Christmas cards
Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer

That's just for starters. I can keep going on about rituals, traditions and other things we do during Christmas that have as much do to with Christ as a Festivus Pole.
 
Seeing how Saturnalia is not practiced any more by Romans its an irrelevant point.

Ah, but you said "As far as I know the only religions that has decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year are Christians and christian like pagans like the Catholics."

Saturnalia decorated trees and gave gifts during this time of the year many years ago. So now you have heard of a religion that has engaged in such behavior.
 
"Always" in the US. The battleground is in the US, as this country is the last bastion of Christianity.

What battle? And you seem ignorant of a place we call Europe...
 
Another comment from the ranks of ignorance. Let's take a look at a just a few of the connections between Christ and Christmas:

Family
Christmas Caroling
Service
Church Attendance (For some, it's the only time of the year they attend)
General sharing of goodwill

Family is not just limited to those that think they are better than others just because of their religious beliefs.
 
Christmas Tree, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with Christ. Very few Christmas traditions have any real linkage to Christianity.

But what about the easter bunny?
 
A glimpse of America's future.... thanks a lot, liberals.

You are most welcome, except liberals are not trying to ban christmas trees. Don't let facts slow you down though, good rant!
 
Ah, but you said "As far as I know the only religions that has decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year are Christians and christian like pagans like the Catholics."

Saturnalia decorated trees and gave gifts during this time of the year many years ago. So now you have heard of a religion that has engaged in such behavior.

That religion is no longer around and hasn't been celebrated for at least 1600 years. So it is pointless to bring them up. So it is correct to say that no other religious group puts up decorated evergreen conifer trees this time of year. So yes it is correct to say "the only religions that has decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year are Christians and christian like pagans like the Catholics".
 
That religion is no longer around and hasn't been celebrated for at least 1600 years. So it is pointless to bring them up. So it is correct to say that no other religious group puts up decorated evergreen conifer trees this time of year. So yes it is correct to say "the only religions that has decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year are Christians and christian like pagans like the Catholics".

No, it's not.

Merely because it hasn't been practiced does not mean it never existed. The Romans practiced the festival of Saturnalia that decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year. Therefore the logic you give does not make sense. The only way that Saturnalia does not apply under your actual criteria is if it never existed, because Saturnalia was part of the Roman religion that has decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year. Your sole criteria was "that has decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year." Saturnalia meets that criteria.
 
That religion is no longer around and hasn't been celebrated for at least 1600 years. So it is pointless to bring them up. So it is correct to say that no other religious group puts up decorated evergreen conifer trees this time of year. So yes it is correct to say "the only religions that has decorated evergreen conifer trees around this time of year are Christians and christian like pagans like the Catholics".

Pagans are more fun than the Christers that want to impose their religion as if it is the end of the world.
 
But what about the easter bunny?

Don't even get me started. We practice so many pagan rituals under the guise of Christianity that it's hard not consider Christianity has nothing more then a religion that stole most of its ideas from other religions. Hell, Virgin Birth? Jacked. Omnipotent God of Good Vs Evil? Totally ripped off. Giant Flood? Thievery!
 
Family is not just limited to those that think they are better than others just because of their religious beliefs.

Is Dooble serious? That post seems like a classical troll posting. He can't be serious. Especially after throwing out an insult like that.
 
Is Dooble serious? That post seems like a classical troll posting. He can't be serious. Especially after throwing out an insult like that.


I think doobie is serious.
 
A glimpse of America's future.... thanks a lot, liberals.

Ah... a rightwing hack who has no clue on this topic. Good to know. This has zero to do with liberals or conservatives. It has to do with rigidity and closed-mindedness vs. flexibility and real understanding of the issues. Lots of folks have tried to educate you on this issue. Your refusal to listen places you firmly in the first group.
 
Don't even get me started. We practice so many pagan rituals under the guise of Christianity that it's hard not consider Christianity has nothing more then a religion that stole most of its ideas from other religions. Hell, Virgin Birth? Jacked. Omnipotent God of Good Vs Evil? Totally ripped off. Giant Flood? Thievery!

I thought virgin birth was a translation error from old to new testament. Virgin birth of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hebrew has a specific word "almah", which may mean "maiden," "young woman," or "virgin". When Matthew 1:22 states: "Behold the virgin shall be with child" it uses the Greek term "parthenos" as "virgin" as in the Septuagint translation of Isaiah, while the original Masoretic Isaiah uses the Hebrew "almah".[SUP][32][/SUP] This Greek translation "alters or refines the meaning of Isaiah's original Hebrew: where the prophet had talked only of a ‘young woman’ conceiving and bearing a son, the Septuagint projected ‘young woman’ into the Greek word for ‘virgin’ (parthenos)."[SUP][33][/SUP] Raymond Brown suggests that the translators of the Septuagint may have understood the Hebrew word "almah" to mean virgin in this context.[SUP][32][/SUP]
 
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