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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Not quite (another example of not understanding the context of the word "democracy", who invented it and what it actually means.)

    Democracy comes from the Greek - to be precise the ancient Greeks. It is comprised from two Greek words, "demos" meaning citizen, and "kratia" meaning the state or broadly speaking society.

    So democracy is simple a system of organisation whereby the state is controlled by the citizenry - the citizens decide how to organise their communities and state function - how power and wealth is distributed.
    Yes, but in modern terms, we do that in Democratic societies by voting for our representatives who decide how to organize communities and state functions, as well as distribute wealth and power. The problem in America is that for the most part at the Federal level, it's a slate of Plutocrats. We are still controlling our economy by choosing to to vote for, but those who decide are largely the rich. Aside from Biden and DeMint, most Congress members are bloody rich.

    (don't tell me that you believed that democracy actually first sprouted from the United States of America?)
    Oh Hell No. Democracy is far older then the United States. Plus even back in Athens, not everyone was allowed to vote.
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm certainly not Christian myself, so were decorated conifers mentioned in the new testament? Genuinely curious.
    Getting Dooble to actually provide a real argument is impossible. Dooble just argued that if Christ HIMSELF didn't tell you himself it's not related, it therefore is. I hereby declare strip clubs Christmas related on the sole criteria given by Dooble that Christ never said they weren't!

    Very few of our Christmas stories, traditions and rituals have anything to do with Christ. Most of them were stolen from Pagans with no ties to Christanity other than the Catholic's Church desire to appeal more towards Pagans. Man wasn't even born in December for crying out loud!
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yes, but in modern terms, we do that in Democratic societies by voting for our representatives who decide how to organize communities and state functions, as well as distribute wealth and power. The problem in America is that for the most part at the Federal level, it's a slate of Plutocrats. We are still controlling our economy by choosing to to vote for, but those who decide are largely the rich. Aside from Biden and DeMint, most Congress members are bloody rich.
    You didn't quite follow my point.

    Democracy implies the citizen controls the manner in which power and wealth is distributed and how the society is organised

    What you have in the USA is an Oligarchical (another Greek word) Corpocracy

    The highest form of fascism ever developed by HUman civilisation on a large scale

    I hope that you are not become accustomed to your slavery??

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I think the "mas" part denigrates fat people.
    Well, I had no idea.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Then you are a liar trice.
    Everything about you is a lie. You calling me a liar is akin to that idiot Congressman, Hank Johnson, telling the world that Guam floats. Both Democrats, both delusional in your lies.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And history supports this. As history shows the majority of our rituals and traditions having absolutely nothing to do with Christ.
    Your opinion supports this. The primary thrust behind the history of the Christmas Tree is religious based. It was religous based at the time of Pharoah, and it's based in religion today. It's cynics like you, who insist that it's nothing more than commercialized nonsense, to say otherwise. In my circles, the Christmas tree symbolizes the very spirit of Christmas, because we use this time to remember what's most important. Do you have any idea what that may be?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This is borderline insane.
    No, it isn't. It's a crazy response to an even crazier opinion. The facts are these: Your experience with Christmas tells you its commercialized bull****, and my experience tells me its an opportunity to spread goodwill. The history of the tree is based in spirituality, and nothing you do or say can change that fact. You're wrong, oC. I'm sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I hereby declare that Killing Jews by the MILLIONS is Christ related.
    I hereby declare you unfit to post in public forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Oops. Furthermore, decorating Evergreen tree, usually decorated with lights and ornaments came from...
    Oops, we're not talking about ornaments, obvious Child, we're talking about the symbolism of the Christmas Tree and how it relates to Christ. By the way, we put an angel on top of our tree, a Christian angel. How fitting that we put a symbol of Christ at the very top of the tree.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Because that article leaves out a sizable amount of per-Christian history, from the Roman festival of Saturnalia to Germanic Druidism, both of which engaged in tree decorating eons before Christ as born. If you actually KNEW anything about this subject, you wouldn't have insulted me as you would know that Christmas Trees are a stolen tradition from Pagan Cultures.
    It was adapted, you silly cynic, not stolen. Nobody's trying to tell you that Baby Jesus was the founder of the Christmas Tree. Get off your sanctimonious history lesson, and understand this debate. The history of the Christmas Tree began in the 19th Century. It was ADAPTED, not STOLEN, and it was ADAPTED because of its historical connection to spirituality & religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And I've seen zero evidence in your posts that proves you do not simply fabricate whatever you want to suit your arguments. Go read my posts.
    That's because you see only what you want to see. Take Christmas, for example. You despise Christmas Trees, and you probably can't even stand the holiday itself -- except, of course, that it's a day off from work (for most people at least) and in that case it's the best day since your las holiday off!

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I thereby declare on Dooble's logic the HOLOCAUST is Christmas related.
    And I hereby declare you equal opportunity hater of everything, even all that is good and uplifiting! Oh, wait... that's already been declared.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How are these ACTUALLY Christ related Dooble, or are you going to run away once again?

    Christmas Trees
    Gift Giving (and it's whole slew of Commercialization)
    Mistletoe
    Yule Tide Logs
    Eggnog
    Frosty the Snowman
    December 25 as Christ's Birthday (which it clearly cannot be based on the descriptions in the Bible)
    Santa Claus
    Christmas Stockings
    Holly, Ivy and Greenery
    Poinsettias
    Jack Frost
    Christmas cards
    Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer
    Sure thing.

    Christmas Trees: The symbolisms of the spirit of Christmas (at least in positive circles, not your circles).
    Gift Giving: Expresses one's love toward another, even commercial gifts at times. Expressing love is definitely Christian
    Mistletoe: They have beauty, and Christ is also about beauty. Also, standing under mistletoe gives an opportunity to kiss your true love.
    The rest of your list represents happy memories, and family traditions. Christ is all about what makes us happy and what bonds us together as families.

    This activity has been good, oC. It has helped remind me of the positives of Christmas, and also how negative your side of the holiday is.
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Which one is it?

    I really don't care. Have a tree, or not. Call it what you wish. Do yo' thang, I'll do mine.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Moderator's Warning:
    Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree Dooble, Obvious Child, cease fire immediately. Good Lawd what is the matter with you two? You've jumped the shark. Stop it.





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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Moderator's Warning:
    Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree Dooble, Obvious Child, cease fire immediately. Good Lawd what is the matter with you two? You've jumped the shark. Stop it.


    My apologies. Just taking care of some unfinished business. I'm done with him.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    There are no winners in the battle between the militant Christians who want to force their limited notion of Christianity into every nook and cranny of public life and the militant atheists who are on a mission to stamp out even the most benign religious reference therein. Not that people here arguing one side or another are representative of such, mind you, but on the national scene, there IS a battle between these two opposing forces and it gets down right silly, sometimes.

    Why not just allow people to call it whatever they want and create whatever tradition they want to create around it, eh? 28 pages of blather over a Christmas tree?! Sheesh!
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Who cares?

    There are people who can't afford to eat let alone buy a fake evergreen, and meanwhile we're fabricating some mystical "war on Christmas" and arguing about what to call a ****ing tree.

    Wonderful priorities we have America.


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