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  • Christmas Tree.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You didn't give me a yes or no answer there. Seems you realize that Christianity is still based partly on parts of the OT, but you don't want to come out and admit it.



    Orthodox Jews reject many of the beliefs liberal Jews accept. What's your point?
    ????

    liberal Jews?

    You do realise that being Jewish is a merely a religious decision? Like being Muslim or Christian. Jews follow the Torah or Old Testament. Jewishness isnt a nationality.

    An atheist Jew is as non sensical as an antheist Christian

    I am not sure what angle you are pushing here

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    ????

    liberal Jews?

    You do realise that being Jewish is a merely a religious decision? Like being Muslim or Christian. Jews follow the Torah or Old Testament. Jewishness isnt a nationality.
    My point is that using orthodox as a standard is poor considering their rejection of many things other Jews follow.

    I ask you again, do you think that the OT is completely irrelevant to Christianity?
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And rightwing extremists like you always fail at mindreading, as you did. I was referring to you... and with every post you make what I said more and more valid. Please continue.
    Oh he can read. He read post #133, realized he was destroyed and is now pretending that post doesn't exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    There was no need to read your mind; your words spoke volumes. Give it a rest.
    As does your failure to address post #133 after insulting me, furthermore your deliberate avoidance AFTER you insulted me is noted
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    My point is that using orthodox as a standard is poor considering their rejection of many things other Jews follow.

    I ask you again, do you think that the OT is completely irrelevant to Christianity?
    Not completely irrelevant - I just see Christianity as a direct moral response to the barbarism that is found in the Old Testament. THere are many moral inconsistencies arrising when you compare the two texts - which is not surprising seeing as they emerged from different contexts and periods.

    I realise many dont define being Jewish as purely a religious expression or category - but its historical context is clear. If you ask an Orhtodox Jew what does it mean to be a Jew, they will say that being Jewish is a religious or spiritual commitment to the Torah. Just like being Christian. Where does that leave Jews who decide to be atheists or even Christian or Muslim? Well according to Orthodox Jews they relinguish their Jewishness - they become athiests rather than Jews. Now this narrow definition has been broadened over the year to define being Jewish as a cultural as well as a religious commitment.

    Its a little bit like the terms Arab and Muslim - only one of these is strictly a religious denomination. The other is essentially a nationality or demographical group

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Not completely irrelevant - I just see Christianity as a direct moral response to the barbarism that is found in the Old Testament. THere are many moral inconsistencies arrising when you compare the two texts - which is not surprising seeing as they emerged from different contexts and periods.
    Thus is your interpretation. But many Christians would disagree with you that Christianity almost wholesale abandoned the OT.

    I realise many dont define being Jewish as purely a religious expression or category - but its historical context is clear. If you ask an Orhtodox Jew what does it mean to be a Jew, they will say that being Jewish is a religious or spiritual commitment to the Torah.
    Correction: Their interpretation of the Torah. Orthodox are seen as liberal compared to the Haredi, who to me don't seem all that different from Islamic whackjobs.
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    OK, you are lying.
    I take by your wholesale abandonment of addressing post #133 after personally attacking me, you realize you were in fact lying?
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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Thus is your interpretation. But many Christians would disagree with you that Christianity almost wholesale abandoned the OT.



    Correction: Their interpretation of the Torah. Orthodox are seen as liberal compared to the Haredi, who to me don't seem all that different from Islamic whackjobs.
    Of course it's based upon interpretation

    I have read the old and new testaments, and the moral incompatibility and ethical inconsistencies between the two textx cannot be ignored in my opinion.

    The fact that 60% of the US population believes the earth is about 6000 years old, has no moral issues with war, advocates a corporatized greed based society is a massive monument highlighting the disgraceful hypocrisy that underpinns the bulk of the US population.

    This shouldn't surprise anyone, seeing as the USA is amongst the top 7 most funadamentalist fanatical corpocratic pseudo-theocratic nut job states on the globe.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Which one is it?
    Personally for me it is a Christmas tree. It's the only holiday I put a tree up for, so it is a Christmas tree. If someone else is so anal that they MUST call it a "holiday tree" then so be it. I couldn't care less.

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    Re: Christmas Tree vs Holiday Tree

    Christmas Tree, always has been and always will be.
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