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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I can't believe how outnumbered I am here. I truly believe AID's research is a huge waste of better spent resources but then again I thought Romney would win in a land slide. No wonder I live out in the woods three miles from my nearest neighbor, SHEEESH. Good night!
    I thought Romney would win too (though not in a landslide), but that has little to do with this subject. You are ignorant when it comes to the topic of HIV/AIDS. If you were backing up your view with knowledge rather than ignorance, that would be an entirely different matter.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    This is hardly a political debate. We don't give up on heart disease, diabetes or liver transplants simply because they are preventable. There is no ethical principle or philosophical viewpoint at work here, the OP simply hates a certain group of people so much he wants them to die.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    AIDS is a disease that for the most part is due to promiscuous sex or drug abuse and IMO taking money from things like childhood leukemia, MS, Parkinson's etc and giving it to a group of people who pretty much deserve what they got is a huge waste of resources. The only reason we spend so much money on it is that so many people that have it or fear they may contract it are so vocal and being gay is
    so trendy as a current human right. So heres the question, should we be funding research to cure these people or worse yet find a vaccine to let them engage in their risky lifestyle with no consequences?

    EDIT: sorry I blew the poll part but I would be interested in your opinions.
    Greetings everyone!

    If a poll option would have been made available, I would have voted Yes in regards to "Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS."

    HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia

    1. As indicated in the article linked above, "As of 2010, approximately 34 million people have contracted HIV globally. AIDS is considered a pandemic—a disease outbreak which is present over a large area and is actively spreading." The fact that it is considered a pandemic makes it something to be concerned about; not just for those in "high risk" categories but for everyone. Those who are in a "low risk" category presently may find themselves at greater risk in the future; HIV/AIDS is a potential danger to everyone, even more so should the research into HIV/AIDS be terminated due to moral judgement.

    2. In regards to transmission, the article states: "The most frequent mode of transmission of HIV is through sexual contact with an infected person." As the old saying goes, "when you sleep with someone... you also sleep with everyone they have slept with." Again, because of the pandemic nature of HIV/AIDS, it isn't just those who have "promiscuous" and/or unprotected sex that are in danger. Those that practice sexual abstinence and/or have a single partner relationship where both were abstinent before their relationship began are a minority; the reality is that the majority of people will not be abstinent, will have more than one partner in their lives, and at some point will have unprotected sex. It would be considered irresponsible, naive, and inhumane to eliminate research into HIV/AIDS based on the moral judgement and lifestyle practiced by an ever decreasing minority. EDIT: I noted that I also did not respond to your statement about "being gay is so trendy." To quote the article linked above: "Worldwide, the majority of cases of transmission occur through heterosexual contacts (i.e. sexual contacts between people of the opposite sex)."

    3. In regards to transmission, the article states: "The second most frequent mode of HIV transmission is via blood and blood products. Blood-borne transmission can be through needle-sharing during intravenous drug use, needle stick injury, transfusion of contaminated blood or blood product, or medical injections with unsterilised equipment." Those who are IV drug users and share needles can infect those who do not (through sex and/or other blood-borne transmissions, including giving birth). As for the other blood-borne transmissions, it should be obvious that these means do not involve promiscuous sex or IV drug use. Again, moral judgement does not justify termination of research when examining this form of transmission.

    4. In regards to transmission, the article states: "HIV can be transmitted from mother to child during pregnancy, during delivery, or through breast milk. This is the third most common way way in which HIV is transmitted globally." Children who acquire HIV/AIDS through being born are in similar circumstances as children that suffer "childhood leukemia, MS, Parkinson's etc." They have no lifestyle that puts them in a "high risk" category. Here, not only does a moral judgement not justify termination of research; "morality" may even justify the research (as in the case of most blood-borne transmissions)!

    5. Another point to consider is this: Many diseases over time mutate; finding new ways to enter, spread, and attack a human body. HIV/AIDS as it is understood today may change over time. Eliminating research due to moral judgement May prove deadly in the future (even to those whose moral judgement called for the termination of the research in the first place).

    6. Finally, it should be noted that research into HIV/AIDS can benefit research into other types of health issues that share one or more characteristics with this deadly disease.

    While it is understandable that a person may feel emotionally and/or morally opposed to research into what they view as a "preventible" disease, it is hoped that the points made above show that HIV/AIDS research is necessary as their is potential risk and reward... not just for those who are considered "high risk," but for all of mankind.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    What all of you are missing is there are only so many research dollars and only so many researchers to go around. Every time you spend a dollar on AIDS which is by and large a preventable disease, you take a dollar from diseases that people get through no fault of their own. You all seem to be OK with that but I am most definitely not. I am the pragmatic sort and believe in prioritizing and delegating limited resources where they will do the most good for the most people. Let's say 10% of AIDS victims are guiltless and got the disease through no fault of their own, compare that to MS, Parkinson's, Child hood Leukemia etc where 100% of the victims get the disease through no fault of their own. Where are the finite dollars better spent? If your answer is AIDS you are being PC not practical and people will die and suffer horrible lives because of you but you yourself will feel so proud that you are so enlightened and compassionate. Congratulations.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    AIDS is a disease that for the most part is due to promiscuous sex or drug abuse and IMO taking money from things like childhood leukemia, MS, Parkinson's etc and giving it to a group of people who pretty much deserve what they got is a huge waste of resources. The only reason we spend so much money on it is that so many people that have it or fear they may contract it are so vocal and being gay is
    so trendy as a current human right. So heres the question, should we be funding research to cure these people or worse yet find a vaccine to let them engage in their risky lifestyle with no consequences?

    EDIT: sorry I blew the poll part but I would be interested in your opinions.
    Seriously? I want to ask you a question but I know I will get dinged if I do.

    Unfreaking believable.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Just gotta shake your head at sawyers ignorance.
    He assumes he knows things like this. he does not look into these issues. As a result he is not aware of the thousands of people including children who became infected because of medical proceedures, bad transfusions, and many many other sources.

    How do they deserve what they got Chief?
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Seriously? I want to ask you a question but I know I will get dinged if I do.

    Unfreaking believable.
    So tell me exactly where I am wrong.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    They are getting it through unprotected sex. Not only that but anal sex is widely used in Africa as a form of birth control.Anal sex generally has some bleeding involved which greatly increases the risk of aids so if you are having unprotected anal sex and get aids it is your own dumb ass fault. Now lets compare that to childhood leukemia. Kids get this disease through no fault of their own. Where should the research dollars go in your opinion?
    Bull****. Get the facts and read my post. Moronic in the extreme.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I know there are some innocent victims of AID's but they are very small percentage. Why not concentrate on diseases like childhood Leukemia, Parkinson's MS etc. There are only so many research dollars and minds to go around so why not get the most bang for your buck. AID's should be at the bottom of the list not the top.
    NHO - source. In todays world the majority of infected persons from unprotected sex is less than those infected by other means.

    Also see - WHO, CIC, National Aids website, AMA newletters, UN, etc etc etc.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If it were my child I would spend my last dollar but in the big picture society has to prioritize. Dollars are not limitless and when you spend so much money on AID's you take it from other diseases that are not preventable. Look at a little kid with Leukemia then look at some promiscuous gay needle sharing drug addict and then you tell me how our limited dollars are better spent.
    So your kid should get helped by you or someone else but what about the others?

    YOu are really something.
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