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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I never singled out gays, that is your imagination talking. I said over and over promiscuous sex and people who share needles. Maybe it is you who equates all promiscuous sex to be gay sex. The fact is though gays vastly outnumber hetros in contracting AIDS. How much of this is due to promiscuity I have no idea but I do know anal sex is far riskier than male female intercourse.
    You mentioned drug use and promiscuous sex once in that post in the opening line. And then proceeded to make the rest of the post about gays. And no. Gays do not "vastly outnumber hetros in contracting AIDS". Unless of course you ignore 3/4 of the world and focus on one little area that happens to support your belief.

    And you didn't address the rest of my post. Why?
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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Just to show me how wrong i am though, why dont you give me some examples of a VIRUS that has been cured through medicine.
    There is a genetic mutation in the CCR5 receptor gene which renders approximately 10% of the population of Europe completely immune to HIV. Bone marrow transplants from individuals with that mutation to patients with HIV have been shown to cure the virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The fact is though gays vastly outnumber hetros in contracting AIDS.
    Not on a global scale and I think there is a greater amount of unreported cases among heterosexuals in the United States.

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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

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    A lot of those diseases are still pretty prevelant in other areas of the world. In most cases, its the spread of the disease that has been controlled more than actually curing the disease. If you read any of my earlier posts, you would have read how to control the spread of AIDS as well. Unfortunatly people think its more important to have indiscriminate sex, than it is to control the spread of STD's.
    Yes, we should work on stopping the spread of the disease as well as helping people who have it. What are we arguing about here?



    Now who is playing semantics?? The word "cure" has a pretty straight forward defenition. For example, we havent cured polio. We have developed vaccines to prevent contracting it, but when people do get it, we cant rid it from their bodies.


    I didn't use the word cure at all.....The bolded part is just you repeating my point exactly. I think we're done here.

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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You mentioned drug use and promiscuous sex once in that post in the opening line. And then proceeded to make the rest of the post about gays. And no. Gays do not "vastly outnumber hetros in contracting AIDS". Unless of course you ignore 3/4 of the world and focus on one little area that happens to support your belief.

    And you didn't address the rest of my post. Why?
    I have posted dozens of times on this subject and have made every effort not to single out gays but the pie chart I put up does show they are by far the vast majority to contract AIDS in America. Africa is a different ball game.

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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    There is a genetic mutation in the CCR5 receptor gene which renders approximately 10% of the population of Europe completely immune to HIV. Bone marrow transplants from individuals with that mutation to patients with HIV have been shown to cure the virus.



    Not on a global scale and I think there is a greater amount of unreported cases among heterosexuals in the United States.
    The American tax payer is not responsible for the world and that is why I focus on American AIDS.

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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I have posted dozens of times on this subject and have made every effort not to single out gays but the pie chart I put up does show they are by far the vast majority to contract AIDS in America. Africa is a different ball game.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The American tax payer is not responsible for the world and that is why I focus on American AIDS.
    No. You focus on America because it suits you. I can't count how many times i've heard the phrase that America is not alone in this world and shouldn't act that way. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you have said something similar in times past. And you would be right. America is not alone in this world. What happens in other countries can affect us. Indeed that is exactly how AIDS got into America in the first place. It was brought here from another country. So while the American taxpayer may not be responsible for the world it is responsible for the American taxpayer. And sometimes that means going to other countries and spending money to affect something which has a good possibility of affecting the American taxpayer. Such as AIDS.

    We also have a responsibility to keep the negative things that happens in America from affecting other countries. As such spending money on our problems also keeps our negative things from affecting other countries. This includes AIDS.

    And again. Why didn't you address the rest of my first post?
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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The American tax payer is not responsible for the world and that is why I focus on American AIDS.
    HIV doesn't care about borders.

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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No. You focus on America because it suits you. I can't count how many times i've heard the phrase that America is not alone in this world and shouldn't act that way. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you have said something similar in times past. And you would be right. America is not alone in this world. What happens in other countries can affect us. Indeed that is exactly how AIDS got into America in the first place. It was brought here from another country. So while the American taxpayer may not be responsible for the world it is responsible for the American taxpayer. And sometimes that means going to other countries and spending money to affect something which has a good possibility of affecting the American taxpayer. Such as AIDS.

    We also have a responsibility to keep the negative things that happens in America from affecting other countries. As such spending money on our problems also keeps our negative things from affecting other countries. This includes AIDS.

    And again. Why didn't you address the rest of my first post?


    I scrolled and assume you mean this?

    "If you really were against spending money on "risky behavior" then you would not support any tax dollars that goes towards ANY risky behavior that is preventable. Not just single out one thing that happens to affect a group of people that you apparently are against. The whole "we should spend money on things like "childhood leukemia, MS, Parkinson's etc" is just a distraction and an empty face saving morality stance."

    I didn't address it because I considered it an unfounded personal attack with no merit whatsoever. What am I supposed to say in response? Believe about me what ever you want, I am here to discuss subjects not each other nor am I here to defend myself against people who want to attack me.

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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
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    I scrolled and assume you mean this?

    "If you really were against spending money on "risky behavior" then you would not support any tax dollars that goes towards ANY risky behavior that is preventable. Not just single out one thing that happens to affect a group of people that you apparently are against. The whole "we should spend money on things like "childhood leukemia, MS, Parkinson's etc" is just a distraction and an empty face saving morality stance."

    I didn't address it because I considered it an unfounded personal attack with no merit whatsoever. What am I supposed to say in response? Believe about me what ever you want, I am here to discuss subjects not each other nor am I here to defend myself against people who want to attack me.
    More like what is bolded now. Just how many risky behaviors are there that you support tax dollars going towards that is preventable? HWY's so that we can drive? Flying? The millions of other things that the government spends money on that is about helping with something that is preventable by simply not engaging...ie risky behavior?

    The fact that you are willing to support some types of risky behavior and not others is my foundation against your arguement. And my posts so far is not so much an attack on you as it is an attack on your position. If you take it personally that is no fault of mine.
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    Re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    More like what is bolded now. Just how many risky behaviors are there that you support tax dollars going towards that is preventable? HWY's so that we can drive? Flying? The millions of other things that the government spends money on that is about helping with something that is preventable by simply not engaging...ie risky behavior?

    The fact that you are willing to support some types of risky behavior and not others is my foundation against your arguement. And my posts so far is not so much an attack on you as it is an attack on your position. If you take it personally that is no fault of mine.
    It's a long thread and others have asked me this and I answered. I don't expect you to read nearly 300 post though .I would prioritize funding based on how preventable the disease is through life style choices and AIDS would be at the bottom of the list instead of the top where it currently resides.

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