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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    You want others to suffer and die because it costs the state money. It's the height of selfish bastardry, and the fact that you can't see that speaks volumes.
    Theres only so much money to go around and spending 18 billion a year on AIDS takes money from other diseases that people get through no fault of their own. The fact that you can't see that speaks volumes.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    That you continue to keep framing the disease around crack whores and gays is the telling part for me.

    That you dodge all the other diseases more or less caused by risky behavior.

    That you see a disease, breast cancer which has a history of massive spending for the cure... we are both old enough to remember a woman being told she has breast cancer was told to go home and make preparations for her family, or undergo horrific 'treatments' that more than likely added 6 months of poor quality life and massive medical bills.

    NOW a woman can expect a bit of discomfort but to continue her life. It doesn't break the family bank.

    The two diseases are in vastly different phases of treatment. I know this because I know two breast cancer survivors, one of which I never saw sick and didn't know until her 6 months cancer free check-up.

    THAT progress didn't come cheap and didn't happen this week... it started decades ago and now we reap the benefits.

    You need better examples...




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    Childhood leukemia is a type of leukemia, usually acute lymphocytic leukemia (ALL), that affects children. The cure rate of childhood leukemia is generally higher than adult leukemia, approaching 90%, although some side effects of treatment last into adulthood. The older aggressive treatments of cranial irradiation and anthracyclines (such as doxorubicin) caused increased risk of solid tumors, heart failure, growth retardation, and cognitive defects.[1]

    Leukemia is a hematological malignancy or a cancer of the blood. It develops in the bone marrow, the soft inner part of bones where new blood cells are made. When a child has leukemia, the bone marrow produces white blood cells that do not mature correctly. Normal healthy cells only reproduce when there is enough space for them. The body will regulate the production of cells by sending signals of when to stop production. When a child


    Multiple sclerosis (MS) affects women more than men. The disorder is most commonly diagnosed between ages 20 and 40, but can be seen at any age.

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    It is unknown what exactly causes this to happen. The most common thought is that a virus or gene defect, or both, are to blame. Environmental factors may play a role.

    You are slightly more likely to get this condition if you have a family history of MS or live in an part of the world where MS is more common.


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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Theres only so much money to go around and spending 18 billion a year on AIDS takes money from other diseases that people get through no fault of their own. The fact that you can't see that speaks volumes.
    Viruses mutate. Thats how it got out of animals and into humans in the first place.

    Mutations also lead to changes in modes of transmission.

    Right now, HIV isnt easy to catch. Unprotected sex and direct blood contamination are the only vectors.

    Let it run wild and it could eventually become airborne or waterborn, like the flu, transmissible by casual contact.

    Then we'll have a real problem.

    Its not just the "irresponsibles" problem.

    HIV is "trying" to find a better vector as we speak. It is one of the fastest mutating viruses.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Viruses mutate. Thats how it got out of animals and into humans in the first place.

    Mutations also lead to changes in modes of transmission.

    Right now, HIV isnt easy to catch. Unprotected sex and direct blood contamination are the only vectors.

    Let it run wild and it could eventually become airborne or waterborn, like the flu, transmissible by casual contact.

    Then we'll have a real problem.

    Its not just the "irresponsibles" problem.

    HIV is "trying" to find a better vector as we speak. It is one of the fastest mutating viruses.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    I addressed that dodge.

    YOU didn't address why AIDS and not the dozens of other diseases like diabetes, smoking, drinking...etc... remember that post of mine?

    The problem with picking any other disease is do you really think the money diverted from AIDS will go to the one you think 'means more'?

    I was not attacking you on this... I was agreeing with you.

    As you said you couldn't have been more wrong about a Willard Win.

    You are just as wrong here.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    AIDS is a disease that for the most part is due to promiscuous sex or drug abuse and IMO taking money from things like childhood leukemia, MS, Parkinson's etc and giving it to a group of people who pretty much deserve what they got is a huge waste of resources. The only reason we spend so much money on it is that so many people that have it or fear they may contract it are so vocal and being gay is
    so trendy as a current human right. So heres the question, should we be funding research to cure these people or worse yet find a vaccine to let them engage in their risky lifestyle with no consequences?

    EDIT: sorry I blew the poll part but I would be interested in your opinions.
    It also results from medical malpractice, rape, forced prostitution, and being uneducated. There are many children living today with the disease because they were either born with it, or contracted it during rape.

    Of course the government should have a role in funding education programs, prevention, and granting financial resources towards developing a cure.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Theres only so much money to go around and spending 18 billion a year on AIDS takes money from other diseases that people get through no fault of their own. The fact that you can't see that speaks volumes.
    That's nonsense. AIDS does not take money from other diseases. You assert that linkage with NOTHING to back it up.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

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    Childhood leukemia


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    Childhood leukemia is a type of leukemia, usually acute lymphocytic leukemia (ALL), that affects children. The cure rate of childhood leukemia is generally higher than adult leukemia, approaching 90%, although some side effects of treatment last into adulthood. The older aggressive treatments of cranial irradiation and anthracyclines (such as doxorubicin) caused increased risk of solid tumors, heart failure, growth retardation, and cognitive defects.[1]

    Leukemia is a hematological malignancy or a cancer of the blood. It develops in the bone marrow, the soft inner part of bones where new blood cells are made. When a child has leukemia, the bone marrow produces white blood cells that do not mature correctly. Normal healthy cells only reproduce when there is enough space for them. The body will regulate the production of cells by sending signals of when to stop production. When a child


    Multiple sclerosis (MS) affects women more than men. The disorder is most commonly diagnosed between ages 20 and 40, but can be seen at any age.

    MS is caused by damage to the myelin sheath, the protective covering that surrounds nerve cells. When this nerve covering is damaged, nerve signals slow down or stop.

    The nerve damage is caused by inflammation. Inflammation occurs when the body's own immune cells attack the nervous system. This can occur along any area of the brain, optic nerve, and spinal cord.

    It is unknown what exactly causes this to happen. The most common thought is that a virus or gene defect, or both, are to blame. Environmental factors may play a role.

    You are slightly more likely to get this condition if you have a family history of MS or live in an part of the world where MS is more common.


    Parkinson's disease most often develops after age 50. It is one of the most common nervous system disorders of the elderly. Sometimes Parkinson's disease occurs in younger adults. It affects both men and women.

    In some cases, Parkinson's disease runs in families. When a young person is affected, it is usually because of a form of the disease that runs in families.

    Nerve cells use a brain chemical called dopamine to help control muscle movement. Parkinson's disease occurs when the nerve cells in the brain that make dopamine are slowly destroyed. Without dopamine, the nerve cells in that part of the brain cannot properly send messages. This leads to the loss of muscle function. The damage gets worse with time. Exactly why these brain cells waste away is unknown.

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    Of course your red herring of luekemia has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Wanting AIDS to kill promiscuous and gay people has nothing to do with Luekemia and research on HIV/AIDS does not in any manner prohibit research on luekemia. NOR do promiscuous and gay people cause luekemia.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    They are getting it through unprotected sex. Not only that but anal sex is widely used in Africa as a form of birth control.Anal sex generally has some bleeding involved which greatly increases the risk of aids so if you are having unprotected anal sex and get aids it is your own dumb ass fault. Now lets compare that to childhood leukemia. Kids get this disease through no fault of their own. Where should the research dollars go in your opinion?
    And medical malpractice, and rape, and misinformation, etc. etc. In countries like South Africa, being sexually active means you are at risk. If you're raped, get a blood transfusion, or your mom has HIV then you're at high. In fact, if you live in Africa, then you're at a much higher risk than somebody living in a country like Iceland.

    You can't help where you were born, if you need a blood transfusion, or if you were raped.

    Rape should not be a death sentence.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I addressed that dodge.

    YOU didn't address why AIDS and not the dozens of other diseases like diabetes, smoking, drinking...etc... remember that post of mine?

    The problem with picking any other disease is do you really think the money diverted from AIDS will go to the one you think 'means more'?

    I was not attacking you on this... I was agreeing with you.

    As you said you couldn't have been more wrong about a Willard Win.

    You are just as wrong here.
    I've asked the same question twice now and he hasn't responded. There are many many illnesses and health problems which are certainly preventable. Yet, we treat them.
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