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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    Is it your assumption that more people have breast cancer than AIDS? Because that is wrong. In 2010, 1.5 million people were diagnosed with breast cancer worldwide. In 2009, there were 2.6 million new cases of AIDS and 1.8 million deaths from AIDS. (Compare to 0.5 million deaths from breast cancer) There are almost 17 million children orphaned by AIDS now.

    Any way you look at it (infection rates, cure rates, death rates, age of people affected, children affected) AIDS is clearly the worse disease. It's not logical that you are outraged more money is going towards AIDS research.

    Breast Cancer Statistics Worldwide | Worldwide Breast Cancer

    Worldwide HIV & AIDS Statistics

    WHO | Cancer
    The American tax payer is not responsable for the world. Here is the stats for America.

    •About 1 in 8 U.S. women (just under 12%) will develop invasive breast cancer over the course of her lifetime.
    •In 2011, an estimated 230,480 new cases of invasive breast cancer were expected to be diagnosed in women in the U.S., along with 57,650 new cases of non-invasive (in situ) breast cancer.

    U.S. Breast Cancer Statistics

    Now lets compare that to AIDS cases per year and as you see the amount of AIDS diagnosis per year is minuscule in comparison.

    HIV incidence



    Year

    Estimated new HIV infections




    2006

    48,600



    2007

    56,000



    2008

    47,800



    2009

    48,100


    The estimated amount of new infections each year, calculated with mathematical modelling.4


    So the question is why does AIDS get over four times the research funding That breast cancer gets? Does anyone care to float a theory on that and attempt to justfy the disproportionate spending?

    Like they say in the infomercials, " But WAIT, theres more".


    The Domestic HIV/AIDS Budget

    Care: The largest component of the federal AIDS budget is
    health care services and treatment for people living with
    HIV/AIDS in the U.S., which totals $15.6 billion in the FY 2013

    So we the American taxpayer are on the hook for 3 billion a year for AIDS research and another 15.6 billion to support people with AIDS after the are diagnosed with the disease. If you add up all the spending on all the other diseases I doubt you would reach this number. Anyone get my point yet?

    Here I will throw this in as a sample of spending on other diseases vs AIDS for your reading pleasure

    2010 Spending
    (in millions)
    Cancer type

    Lung

    $247.6

    $246.9

    $281.9



    Prostate

    285.4

    293.9

    300.5



    Breast

    572.6

    599.5

    631.2



    Colorectal

    273.7

    264.2

    270.4



    Bladder

    24.1

    25.9

    22.6



    Melanoma

    110.8

    103.7

    102.3



    Non-Hodgkin
    Lymphoma

    122.6

    130.9

    122.4



    Kidney

    43.4

    45.2

    44.6



    Thyroid

    14.6

    14.7

    15.6

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    We should have contained and isolated it when it was first discovered, but we didn't, and now it's a huge problem. Because of that failure we have to spend tax money on developing better treatments for it, as well as educating people on it. It is a very real threat to national health which can't be taken lightly.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    The last stats in above post are for 2008 2009 and 2010 .

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    We should have contained and isolated it when it was first discovered, but we didn't, and now it's a huge problem. Because of that failure we have to spend tax money on developing better treatments for it, as well as educating people on it. It is a very real threat to national health which can't be taken lightly.
    We know exactly what causes AIDS and exactly how to not contract AIDS. 99% of those that get it did so with the same disregard for personal safety as someone who steps out in front of a speeding bus. We owe them nothing.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    AIDS is a disease that for the most part is due to promiscuous sex or drug abuse and IMO taking money from things like childhood leukemia, MS, Parkinson's etc and giving it to a group of people who pretty much deserve what they got is a huge waste of resources. The only reason we spend so much money on it is that so many people that have it or fear they may contract it are so vocal and being gay is
    so trendy as a current human right. So heres the question, should we be funding research to cure these people or worse yet find a vaccine to let them engage in their risky lifestyle with no consequences?

    EDIT: sorry I blew the poll part but I would be interested in your opinions.
    Yes. At a minimum we should continue to fund prevention education to younger people.

    I've struggled with saying this but I'll go ahead and do it. In certain circles outside of the US its suspected that HIV is the result of a covert US bio-warfare research program that turned out to be worse than imagined, incurable, contagious, terminal and spread to millions of innocent people worldwide. I'm not saying I agree with that assertion as obviously there is no proof. However, with the history of the Tuskegee Experiment; the fact that during the Cold War there were understandably various covert research projects going on (heck, as recently as the Clinton Administration there was a covert research program that tried to make enemy soldiers homosexuals on the battlefield Air Force Considered Gay 'Love Bomb' Against Enemies | Fox News ); the fact that aids is a relatively new disease where unlike cancer, diabetes or heart disease that are as old as humanity itself, people only started getting aids in the 1970s and the new scientific field of genetic engineering, nothing would surprise me. If we caused it, and I doubt if we did we'd ever admit it, we have a responsibility to help cure it.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    I believe Sawyer is just expressing his frustration with the way a lot of things in his world view fell apart.

    Instead of a broad sweep of personally preventable disease such as obesity, smoking, drinking, risky behaviors like skydiving, bike riding, mountain climbing, I suppose the list could go on and on...

    No he picks one thing and then holds up children being 'robbed' of funding because tax dollars are going to AIDS.

    But would those dollars go to children's diseases?

    Should we wheel those coming into the ER with over the limit blood alcohol to the side because they should not have drunk so much?

    His insistence that because some druggies and gays are the stereotypical examples those who contract the disease because their life partner, straight or gay, had unprotected sex and brought the disease home.

    Belittle that fact all you want, but it still is a fact.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    We know exactly what causes AIDS and exactly how to not contract AIDS. 99% of those that get it did so with the same disregard for personal safety as someone who steps out in front of a speeding bus. We owe them nothing.
    That's an overly simplistic, and highly moronic view of the situation.
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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe Sawyer is just expressing his frustration with the way a lot of things in his world view fell apart.

    Instead of a broad sweep of personally preventable disease such as obesity, smoking, drinking, risky behaviors like skydiving, bike riding, mountain climbing, I suppose the list could go on and on...

    No he picks one thing and then holds up children being 'robbed' of funding because tax dollars are going to AIDS.

    But would those dollars go to children's diseases?

    Should we wheel those coming into the ER with over the limit blood alcohol to the side because they should not have drunk so much?

    His insistence that because some druggies and gays are the stereotypical examples those who contract the disease because their life partner, straight or gay, had unprotected sex and brought the disease home.

    Belittle that fact all you want, but it still is a fact.
    I asked a question in my previous post. Can any of you justify spending over four times as much on AIDS than on breast cancer which one in eight women will get in their lifetime. This does not even count the 15.6 billion we spend keeping drug addicts, crack whores and gays that refused to wear rubbers alive. Look at the pie chart I posted, there is only 1% of people with AIDS that do not fall into these categories.Apparently you have no answer for that so you choose to make me the subject of your post instead.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The American tax payer is not responsable for the world.
    Well you better let the government know that, because that sure is not the case now.

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    re: Should we spend taxpayer dollars on AIDS [W: 139]

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    That's an overly simplistic, and highly moronic view of the situation.
    Instead of insulting me tell me exactly where I am wrong. The fact that you have to resort to personal insults means you can't tell me where I am wrong.

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