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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    Oh that proves it.
    As much as your say so does.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    I thought I had answered that, but there really isn't much difference in our positions. The issue is whether as a policy we should have some age where we say you don't have to work anymore based on age.
    Do you really think government should be able to blackmail us with our SS money into working as long as IT thinks we should?

    I have to say that is a very dangerous proposition although to an extent it is already in place. When I entered the system an most of my working and investing life it has been 65, now government should be able to tell me when I can retire by withholding my SS benifits?

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    As much as your say so does.

    FEBRUARY 16, 2000

    NEWSMAKER Q&A

    The OMB's Jack Lew: ``Social Security Is a Social Contract''
    Clinton's budget boss talks about financing the trust fund, Medicare reform, and tax policy

    http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...m?scriptFramed



    Do you consider it an insurance program?
    Last edited by Stinger; 10-17-06 at 12:11 PM.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    FEBRUARY 16, 2000

    NEWSMAKER Q&A

    The OMB's Jack Lew: ``Social Security Is a Social Contract''
    Clinton's budget boss talks about financing the trust fund, Medicare reform, and tax policy

    http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...m?scriptFramed
    You found one, though describing it as a "social contract" is a little different from the legal sense. Here's one from the other side:

    I believe Social Security is a contract with ourselves and we will keep the promises that have been made

    http://conaway.house.gov/issues/socialsecurity.asp

    And from Fox:

    Democrats say they are united in opposing a plan they contend would break a social contract by shifting Social Security from a government-guaranteed benefit to a personal investment subject to the risks of the market.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153704,00.html


    Do you consider it an insurance program?
    A form of social insurance. Like traditional forms of insuarnce, you pay premiums for certain benefits that you will be entitled to if certain events occur (you become disabled, die, or live beyond the retirement age). If the events do not occur you do not get benefits.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    Do you really think government should be able to blackmail us with our SS money into working as long as IT thinks we should?
    Of course not. I think people should save money in 401ks or however and then they can retire when they want.

    I have to say that is a very dangerous proposition although to an extent it is already in place. When I entered the system an most of my working and investing life it has been 65, now government should be able to tell me when I can retire by withholding my SS benifits?
    IMO you should not rely solely upon SS to plan your retirement, but you should save and invest and build up other sources of retirement funds.

    As to whether the Govt "should" be able to dictate when SS benefits become payable, I agree with you that to the extent that folks need and have relied upon SS to provide for their retirement, there is a sense that it is unfair to change the rules particular for those who are at or near retirement. These issues have to be balanced against what the country can afford; which is more problematic since the SS trust fund has been stolen to finance deficits and the exploding debt will limit the Govt's resources.

    One issue where I do agree with Bush is the concept of the amount of benefits and the growth of benefits. The amount of pension benefit is not set in stone, and has been tapped to the growth of wages. As a result, adjusted for inflation, SS benefits are richer than they used to be. SS should not be a vehicle to provide a luxurious retirement; the nation can't afford that. Pegging the benefits to inflation rather than wages makes a lot of sense to me.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    You found one, though describing it as a "social contract" is a little different from the legal sense. Here's one from the other side:
    It's government and it is codified. But none the less point proven. So now you seem OK with government reniging on the "contract"



    A form of social insurance....
    And insurance is a contract.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer
    There is nothing to give up. I paid into social security every month that I worked. I am not getting a dole, I am only getting what I paid for. I worked from 1960 to the day I retired in 2004. I was never unemployed. Every drop of Social Security that I get, I earned and paid for. Bush wants to use the social security fund that amounts to many billion to pay for his little private war. I say Bu___ Sh_t. to Bush. The financial Crisis comes from Bush War, and him wanting to give give the medicare fund to his corporate buddies.
    Tell Bush to get our troops out of Iraq and let the Iraqis fight their civil war which he started. Sadam had that country under control until Bush and the Oil Companies invaded. There were no terrorist from Iraq killing Americans until Bush invaded.
    I agree almost fully with the Dragonslayer.
    I don't know about those who wish to roll back advances made by the middle class.
    I wonder if they would change their attitude if they had to live paycheck to paycheck for 45 to 50 years.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iriemon
    Of course not. I think people should save money in 401ks or however and then they can retire when they want.
    IMO you should not rely solely upon SS to plan your retirement, but you should save and invest and build up other sources of retirement funds.
    I don't but it is an intregal part of it and if government can just change the rules at it's whim then they can blackmail me into having to work longer until I retire. They take a good chunk of money away from me every paycheck, money I would love to see in my 401k plan so I am not at the mersey of government.

    But what about the poor people you so defend who can't put money into a 401k they are left with nothing but government dictating to them when they can retire.

    These issues have to be balanced against what the country can afford; which is more problematic since the SS trust fund has been stolen to finance deficits and the exploding debt will limit the Govt's resources.
    Welcome to government. Yet you still support a government mandate retirement system.

    Pegging the benefits to inflation rather than wages makes a lot of sense to me.
    On that we agree. But it doesn't matter a hll of beans if government can just keep moving the goal post. Catch-22.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    It's government and it is codified. But none the less point proven. So now you seem OK with government reniging on the "contract"
    Are you arguing SS is a contract? I never signed a contract, did you? And in fact when I got my SS report it specifically provided the benefits were estimates and not guaranteed and subject to change.

    And insurance is a contract.
    Private insurance is. SS is not.

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    Re: Are you willing to give up you social security to end the new deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger
    I don't but it is an intregal part of it and if government can just change the rules at it's whim then they can blackmail me into having to work longer until I retire. They take a good chunk of money away from me every paycheck, money I would love to see in my 401k plan so I am not at the mersey of government.
    I'd love the Govt to not waste money on mistaken wars and would love to see that money in my 401k plan. Que sera.

    But what about the poor people you so defend who can't put money into a 401k they are left with nothing but government dictating to them when they can retire.
    That's the breaks.

    Welcome to government. Yet you still support a government mandate retirement system.
    Sure I support social insurance. I don't want to see hordes of the aged and infirm living in the streets. Do you?

    On that we agree. But it doesn't matter a hll of beans if government can just keep moving the goal post. Catch-22.
    Its the Republicans that want to eliminate the system

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